New hire schedules...
10-31-2016, 10:19 AM
#1
New Hire
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New hire schedules...
Typically (depending on base etc,) what kind of schedules can a new hire expect? Week on, week off, two weeks on, two weeks off? And is there a chance for a dreaded four weeks on due to change in months?
10-31-2016, 11:15 AM
#2
Permanent Reserve
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Expect "A" reserve (midnight to noon), you work 14 days of each 28 day pay period.
they build 7 on/7 off schedules, but new hire probably could not hold that. More likely 4 on 4 off.
IF you get a base trip line(a line made up of left over trips), expect to work 15 days of the 28. The problem with these (junior) lines is that they are not commutable. You may have 36 hours off 6 times during the month, plus a 3 day stretch here or there.
You could end up working a long stretch if one bid period was end loaded and the next was front loaded, and there were short (24-36 hours) off between trips.
I have seen base lines where you would not get home (if you were a commuter) for 16 days straight.
2 of these, back to back, would be crappy
they build 7 on/7 off schedules, but new hire probably could not hold that. More likely 4 on 4 off.
IF you get a base trip line(a line made up of left over trips), expect to work 15 days of the 28. The problem with these (junior) lines is that they are not commutable. You may have 36 hours off 6 times during the month, plus a 3 day stretch here or there.
You could end up working a long stretch if one bid period was end loaded and the next was front loaded, and there were short (24-36 hours) off between trips.
I have seen base lines where you would not get home (if you were a commuter) for 16 days straight.
2 of these, back to back, would be crappy
10-31-2016, 12:20 PM
#3
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: MD-11 Guru
Posts: 210
Expect "A" reserve (midnight to noon), you work 14 days of each 28 day pay period.
they build 7 on/7 off schedules, but new hire probably could not hold that. More likely 4 on 4 off.
IF you get a base trip line(a line made up of left over trips), expect to work 15 days of the 28. The problem with these (junior) lines is that they are not commutable. You may have 36 hours off 6 times during the month, plus a 3 day stretch here or there.
You could end up working a long stretch if one bid period was end loaded and the next was front loaded, and there were short (24-36 hours) off between trips.
I have seen base lines where you would not get home (if you were a commuter) for 16 days straight.
2 of these, back to back, would be crappy
they build 7 on/7 off schedules, but new hire probably could not hold that. More likely 4 on 4 off.
IF you get a base trip line(a line made up of left over trips), expect to work 15 days of the 28. The problem with these (junior) lines is that they are not commutable. You may have 36 hours off 6 times during the month, plus a 3 day stretch here or there.
You could end up working a long stretch if one bid period was end loaded and the next was front loaded, and there were short (24-36 hours) off between trips.
I have seen base lines where you would not get home (if you were a commuter) for 16 days straight.
2 of these, back to back, would be crappy
This will be what you fly as a new to new-ish hire. I am junior on the A-300 Captain list and fly with generally very junior F/Os. If you get hired, bite the bullet and move to SDF, your life will be so much better no matter what lines you hold. Reserve will either be a day off or travel as scheduled to your home with no lost time in SDF (did that for 5 years, totally sucked).
10-31-2016, 02:10 PM
#4
New Hire
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
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Base line trips......
This will be what you fly as a new to new-ish hire. I am junior on the A-300 Captain list and fly with generally very junior F/Os. If you get hired, bite the bullet and move to SDF, your life will be so much better no matter what lines you hold. Reserve will either be a day off or travel as scheduled to your home with no lost time in SDF (did that for 5 years, totally sucked).
This will be what you fly as a new to new-ish hire. I am junior on the A-300 Captain list and fly with generally very junior F/Os. If you get hired, bite the bullet and move to SDF, your life will be so much better no matter what lines you hold. Reserve will either be a day off or travel as scheduled to your home with no lost time in SDF (did that for 5 years, totally sucked).
10-31-2016, 02:13 PM
#5
Where's my Mai Tai?
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: fins to the left, fins to the right
Posts: 1,755
I've been here for over 10 years and still can't hold a reserve line in SDF I want.
10-31-2016, 02:22 PM
#6
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,618
Schedule at the bottom depends on fleet, domicile, and to a point...time of year.
Airbus seems to be base trip lines for the bottom 5, with the occasional Reserve A sneaking in. 757 Domestic is RSVA with a stray Hot Standby; MD11 and SDFZ (757 International) is RSVA.
Can't really speak for ONT or MIA, and I don't think newhires are going to ANC lately.
Even if you get a crummy BTL you can improve your lot in life by checking opentime 4-5 times a day and trading. You will get denied (a LOT) but you can significantly change your schedule around.
And yes, there are plenty of people that live in SDF and bid reserve to get days off, maximize vacation/training conflicts, or hope to avoid a couple days of duty. RSVB tends to go much more senior but even mid-seniority FOs bid RSVA when it suits their needs.
Airbus seems to be base trip lines for the bottom 5, with the occasional Reserve A sneaking in. 757 Domestic is RSVA with a stray Hot Standby; MD11 and SDFZ (757 International) is RSVA.
Can't really speak for ONT or MIA, and I don't think newhires are going to ANC lately.
Even if you get a crummy BTL you can improve your lot in life by checking opentime 4-5 times a day and trading. You will get denied (a LOT) but you can significantly change your schedule around.
And yes, there are plenty of people that live in SDF and bid reserve to get days off, maximize vacation/training conflicts, or hope to avoid a couple days of duty. RSVB tends to go much more senior but even mid-seniority FOs bid RSVA when it suits their needs.
11-01-2016, 05:02 AM
#8
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: long haul
Posts: 127
Your schedule will suck. Just look at your pay check after the first year and you will feel better. You get paid to be abused. There is no difference between the schedules of the 10% and the 75%. Progression up the list is slow here, but at least it is moving some. Move to SDF.
11-01-2016, 12:06 PM
#9
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: Retired from APC.
Posts: 506
Your schedule will suck. Just look at your pay check after the first year and you will feel better. You get paid to be abused. There is no difference between the schedules of the 10% and the 75%. Progression up the list is slow here, but at least it is moving some. Move to SDF.
11-02-2016, 12:39 AM
#10
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 770
When you say training/conflict bidding, does this mean if you have a training event next month, and bid for a schedule with a trip that fall on that training event, they remove the trip and you are still protected for the block time?
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