Steve3112

Thank you. That would be great to get as a new hire. Hopefully tomorrow shows good news in that direction and hopefully I get the call for an interview soon. I'm prepping and about to choose a someone to pay for interview prep. I want to be as prepared as possible.

I assume it's still the same format of phone screening followed by the hogan assessment and the in person sim checkout and interview in Louisville.

united20

the payscale on APC for UPS is wrong..

Someone needs to fix it..

Atlas payscale is attached on the UPS' profile

ps2sunvalley

We all know the profiles on APC are out of date. But I bet first year pay is still correct.

Edit: I looked , and yeah thats def not UPS the 1st year pay is way too high!

GoodRide

Last I heard they are still doing zoom interviews and no sim eval. Pants optional, how’s that for industry leading?

Swedish Blender

as of 1 hour ago, there are roughly 134 spots available in SDF across fleets. We’ll see what the final shakeout is, but I flew with a guy hired in the last couple years who was slated for ANC 747 and he asked if he could switch to 75 SDF and they let him.

Not sure that’s the norm, but wouldn’t hurt to ask if you get picked.

Kovt

I live in Anchorage and my hope is to stay here. I have a CJO with United but haven't recieved a class date yet. I've seen a lot of discussion in this thread suggesting a major is a better place and I think I understand most of the reasons why. My issue that I am having a hard time weighing pros and cons is that I live here, and I am interested in being based at home. I guess my question is would my QOL be better over a career that could last another 30 years if I can get an offer at UPS, or should I just put up with the commute to one of United's bases because it is a great opportunity. I was very excited about the United CJO, but when UPS reopened their application, I've found myself thinking about it more and more. I've also been flying 76s for the last year and enjoy the long haul flying more than I was expecting. I'm hoping someone might be able to help someone living in ANC vs. commuting to ANC weigh pros and cons.

FTv3

We have quite a few that did the same coming from SWA, DAL, etc., not sure what it’s telling? Bottom shuffling is normal ops.

Someone asked about schedules and why they’ve gotten worse. Same story here as elsewhere - introduction of the optimizer scheduling software. More flying, shorter layovers. Domestic Week on/off sort flying used to have same city layovers for a majority of the flying. Now those are non existant, you go to a different city every night. Fewer commercial tickets to and from those trips. The rise of Stuffer trips - short duration pairings inserted on a stretch of days off. International saw a loss of long layovers (more than 48hrs) and more circadian flips (24 hr or less layovers), with more block hours generally being flown. Finally, more revisions while on a trip for everyone.

ANC problem = the commute for the ultra junior. As described several posts ago, there’s some lines that simply aren’t commutable from everywhere in the U.S. Live in SDF or SEA for example and that becomes a different story. To the guy living 1 hr from SDF, ANC base wouldn’t be the end of the world for you. Just a little seniority and you see guys willingly commute up there from all over. Why? Conflict bidding is addictive, ANC base is pretty cool, largely out of view from the SDF mothership, different mix of people vs. SDF, 74 flying is unlike any other fleet, etc. Bottom line: commute problem is temporary.

Payscale. Year 1 is around $60K gross. Year 2 is over $200K.

No 401K match for anyone - we have a defined benefit (pension/A-plan) and a defined contribution (B-plan) at 12%. You get pension credit for year 1. Not sure when B plan takes effect.

Health bennies start day 1 and are significantly better than the legacies’ plans.

Z seniority: it’s a very senior airplane in terms of upward movement once you’re on it. Flip side is you can bounce back and forth with domestic if you need/want. Hawaii flying lines go to the top of the list. Pure Europe lines go next followed by Asia. There’s also some mixed lines. Long EU/Asia trips for the junior can be found in VTOs (secondary vacation/training lines) or reserve callouts. Shorter trips show up on the “not base trip, but really a base trip,” lines here and there. Being junior on Z will mean you see little overseas flying and lots of Canada, Mexico, and Z-mestic flying (domestic flights). Regardless, it’s way better to be junior on Z vs domestic.

Attrition: besides the bottom shuffle, there’s training issues and people doing stupid things. For training it’s no different than anywhere else; they are trying to get you through so show up prepared with a good attitude and they’ll work with you if you struggle. It’s not a weed out process. Probation, same thing. They aren’t looking to fire people. But give them a reason and they will. No different than any other place.

Potential new hires: consider that we are in contract negotiations and will be for at least 2 years. UPS puts the squeeze on us, makes life a little harder at every corner for the duration. They play a tough game and you will have to play one right back. You’ll feel it loosen once TA is signed but something to keep in the back of your mind if seriously considering coming here.

Best of luck!

united20

correct. 1st yr pay is 50ish/hr, but 2nd yr pay starts from 220/hr.

And UPS have 13 pay periods

united20

Very informative. Thank you.

Do you think commuting between ANC - ICN is doable via company metals?

I know Atlas guys doing it but wondering if I can do it at UPS as well

Steve3112

wow... a zoom meeting only? Or that's another screening before the real interview?