UPS 2024 Hiring Info.
04-16-2024, 05:32 AM
#321
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I started Indoc with Delta this month. I live where my guard job is along with all of mine and my wifes family. Its a commute to Delta (7-9 mainline flights/day with a lot of commuters, 1 hour flight) or a 2.5 hour drive with traffic to SDF. Everything I have been told the best airline job is one you can drive to. Wanting to hear the pros/cons of staying at Delta and commuting for the next 30 years or driving to work with UPS. The money isn't something I care about, it's QOL with two kids under 3 that is my priority. I have a heavy airlift background so I would assume that I would end up 747ANC or possibly MD11 SDF. Not a guarentee obviously (and this all assuming UPS hires me, I'm just humbled to have an app still pending). This is what I've gathered so far but will take any additional info anyone wants to drop. Feel free to private message if you'd like. Thank you for the help!
UPS Pros: Cargo, Stable, Drive to work, staying in widebody international
UPS Cons: Night flying if domestic, no travel benefits, sounds like not much is put into infrustructure for pilots
DL Pros: lots of growth, daytime flying, a little more flashy towards pilots if that makes sense
DL Cons: Commuting, Hiring until furlough, pax, long time back to widebody flying
UPS Pros: Cargo, Stable, Drive to work, staying in widebody international
UPS Cons: Night flying if domestic, no travel benefits, sounds like not much is put into infrustructure for pilots
DL Pros: lots of growth, daytime flying, a little more flashy towards pilots if that makes sense
DL Cons: Commuting, Hiring until furlough, pax, long time back to widebody flying
especially if you land at midnight or 1am. Not to
mention you can’t sit on reserve at home (the real benefit to living in base).
With the payrates, profit sharing, and work rules it’s tough to beat Delta right now. With that said, one event in the world could change that tomorrow.
04-16-2024, 09:33 AM
#322
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I started Indoc with Delta this month. I live where my guard job is along with all of mine and my wifes family. Its a commute to Delta (7-9 mainline flights/day with a lot of commuters, 1 hour flight) or a 2.5 hour drive with traffic to SDF. Everything I have been told the best airline job is one you can drive to. Wanting to hear the pros/cons of staying at Delta and commuting for the next 30 years or driving to work with UPS. The money isn't something I care about, it's QOL with two kids under 3 that is my priority. I have a heavy airlift background so I would assume that I would end up 747ANC or possibly MD11 SDF. Not a guarentee obviously (and this all assuming UPS hires me, I'm just humbled to have an app still pending). This is what I've gathered so far but will take any additional info anyone wants to drop. Feel free to private message if you'd like. Thank you for the help!
UPS Pros: Cargo, Stable, Drive to work, staying in widebody international
UPS Cons: Night flying if domestic, no travel benefits, sounds like not much is put into infrustructure for pilots
DL Pros: lots of growth, daytime flying, a little more flashy towards pilots if that makes sense
DL Cons: Commuting, Hiring until furlough, pax, long time back to widebody flying
UPS Pros: Cargo, Stable, Drive to work, staying in widebody international
UPS Cons: Night flying if domestic, no travel benefits, sounds like not much is put into infrustructure for pilots
DL Pros: lots of growth, daytime flying, a little more flashy towards pilots if that makes sense
DL Cons: Commuting, Hiring until furlough, pax, long time back to widebody flying
We have long call out but it's only available in the VTOs if they choose to make it available.
04-16-2024, 10:09 AM
#323
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2h30 minute drive .....ouch. That means you can't do reserve from home and driving home after getting to your car at 4am isn't going to work. Unless you're considering moving to SDF I would stay put.
We have long call out but it's only available in the VTOs if they choose to make it available.
We have long call out but it's only available in the VTOs if they choose to make it available.
04-16-2024, 01:11 PM
#324
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04-16-2024, 07:37 PM
#325
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To be honest, I'm not sure. Mil career wise I've been gone for 2-3 weeks at a time never had an issue with it. Last year or so I was only gone one trip a month usually a week and half at most or maybe two shorter trips due to my office job and that was nice (the being at home, office job was miserable).
I've also never had a flying job when I've had kids until the past two years so that changes everything. I was DNIF for a bit so never really discovered if its better to do shorter trips or just get it all out of the way and not be coming and going. Never had to deal with it before, I don't think I'll really know what works best for the family until we try it. Obviously home as much as possible is always preferred with kids but we all know we have to pay the bills.
I've also never had a flying job when I've had kids until the past two years so that changes everything. I was DNIF for a bit so never really discovered if its better to do shorter trips or just get it all out of the way and not be coming and going. Never had to deal with it before, I don't think I'll really know what works best for the family until we try it. Obviously home as much as possible is always preferred with kids but we all know we have to pay the bills.
04-16-2024, 09:46 PM
#326
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*I am not with Brown and even though Atlas takes care of my ticketing/hotel needs most of the issues above still apply. I miss driving a couple of hours to my former base which dried up and now I commute. Twas such an easy two hour drive, park and walk to the jet... just lucky to live anywhere we want without much work related responsibility.
**Not in your case, but for anyone else out there the most painful thing is commuting to your Guard/Reserve unit and commuting to your airline domicile - several have tried and usually end up moving to one or the other. Living at either has its pros and cons as you mentioned.
04-17-2024, 06:06 AM
#327
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 101
To be honest, I'm not sure. Mil career wise I've been gone for 2-3 weeks at a time never had an issue with it. Last year or so I was only gone one trip a month usually a week and half at most or maybe two shorter trips due to my office job and that was nice (the being at home, office job was miserable).
I've also never had a flying job when I've had kids until the past two years so that changes everything. I was DNIF for a bit so never really discovered if its better to do shorter trips or just get it all out of the way and not be coming and going. Never had to deal with it before, I don't think I'll really know what works best for the family until we try it. Obviously home as much as possible is always preferred with kids but we all know we have to pay the bills.
I've also never had a flying job when I've had kids until the past two years so that changes everything. I was DNIF for a bit so never really discovered if its better to do shorter trips or just get it all out of the way and not be coming and going. Never had to deal with it before, I don't think I'll really know what works best for the family until we try it. Obviously home as much as possible is always preferred with kids but we all know we have to pay the bills.
I personally would only make the move if you are dead set on flying international and you and your wife dont mind the longer trips. I definitely wouldn’t make the move to fly domestic. Our domestic flying is pretty terrible unless you happen to like 3-4 legs a night sitting the sort.
If you haven’t done it yet I would recommend jumpseating in and out of the sort to get a feel for the operation. Check out the facilities, catering, and ask questions about the schedules to see if it’s something you really want to do for the rest of your career. It is completely different than what you do at DL.
Good luck with your decision.
04-17-2024, 06:49 AM
#328
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Age
Right now you're young and probably healthy. As you age, that long haul or middle of the night flying will kick your butt. After 30 years of it you'll be wiped out and it will only age you faster. Fatigue is one of the biggest issues you'll also face. Multiple time zone changes, min rest will wipe you out. It will affect your diet and your desire to try and excercise. You'll wanna sleep when your awake and stay awake while your sleeping. YOU WILL COME HOME EXHAUSTED. The last thing you'll want to do, or even should do, is drive 2/2.5 hours home.
UPS is a great company with great people and unique flying but given a choice, stay at the D. Better choices of fleets, type of flying, bases etc etc. If you will commute at least it'll be in a seat where you can at least rest a bit.
Thank you for your service and keeping us all safe in our beloved Country. You deserve whatever it is you want but trust me, with a young family and being a Military Vet, you'll be happiest at the D.
Best of luck and let us know.
UPS is a great company with great people and unique flying but given a choice, stay at the D. Better choices of fleets, type of flying, bases etc etc. If you will commute at least it'll be in a seat where you can at least rest a bit.
Thank you for your service and keeping us all safe in our beloved Country. You deserve whatever it is you want but trust me, with a young family and being a Military Vet, you'll be happiest at the D.
Best of luck and let us know.
04-17-2024, 04:29 PM
#329
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2.5 hr drive to SDF is nothing. Use a sleep room (or semi-private) if you’re tired before the drive home. Do the same on the way in - drive up in early evening then set your alarm to 10 mins prior to show.
With just a little seniority you can get away without a Crashpad - grab a discounted hotel room when needed here and there.
If you live in Nashville, Lexington, Indy, Cincy, etc, you’re not really commuting IMO and id list that as a big PRO for UPS vs. DAL.
With just a little seniority you can get away without a Crashpad - grab a discounted hotel room when needed here and there.
If you live in Nashville, Lexington, Indy, Cincy, etc, you’re not really commuting IMO and id list that as a big PRO for UPS vs. DAL.
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