UPS 2024 Hiring Info.
#191
Domestic EDW week on/off lines would not functionally change much. Basically those lines would go from credit under guarantee to credit over guarantee, paying more for the same work. However, the Company (Solver) may not want to pay 82.4hr from a bid line construction perspective and decides it is more cost effective to build lines with a 144hr trip and a 120hr trip. That leads to a line crediting just over guarantee, but fully 24hr less work. And since the contract states trips cannot be added once line credit reaches 75:00, you've now made the same money for less work OR more money for the same work. The crewmember won't get a decision on that, the Solver will dictate which is most 'cost-effective' in a given solution...but either outcome moves the football down the field from where we stand today.
The impact of a trip rig change becomes larger to longer trips, though supportive language changes could protect against unintended downside impacts.
Now consider a potential trip rig change with things like an increased MPDP/MPRP, Unaugmented Long Duty Day Rig, and International Block Hour Override. The cumulative impact of these pay factors would have a significant influence on how the Solver builds trips domestically and internationally, EDW and non-EDW, week on/off or Base Line, as well as Opentime and JA for all fleets and domiciles.
There's no singular silver bullet to "fix" schedules, but the world we live in today did not exist in 2016 thanks to the Solver. There's a number of ways to counter its impact on bid line construction - some of which are direct language, others are less direct but can be just as influencial.
The impact of a trip rig change becomes larger to longer trips, though supportive language changes could protect against unintended downside impacts.
Now consider a potential trip rig change with things like an increased MPDP/MPRP, Unaugmented Long Duty Day Rig, and International Block Hour Override. The cumulative impact of these pay factors would have a significant influence on how the Solver builds trips domestically and internationally, EDW and non-EDW, week on/off or Base Line, as well as Opentime and JA for all fleets and domiciles.
There's no singular silver bullet to "fix" schedules, but the world we live in today did not exist in 2016 thanks to the Solver. There's a number of ways to counter its impact on bid line construction - some of which are direct language, others are less direct but can be just as influencial.
#192
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Position: SIC
Posts: 149
Nothing personal, but I am wary of such a statement. The reduced reserve days was touted by an A300 SDF based EB member by saying the company would never use the reserve extension because of cost.
Pretty much every ANC MD reservist was extended every time.
I’m not sure how much cost would factor into their decision based off prior experience.
Pretty much every ANC MD reservist was extended every time.
I’m not sure how much cost would factor into their decision based off prior experience.
#193
someone (not me) suggested a volunteer extension list (a preference in CMS that could be changed at any time) - you select if you are willing to be extended into days off. So for example, they need a Z capt to extend a day from CGN. Rather than just picking someone at random, they look at the list and pick the person who is ok with being extended. The ones that want to get home on time will do just that (unless no volunteers).
#194
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2023
Posts: 194
+1.
someone (not me) suggested a volunteer extension list (a preference in CMS that could be changed at any time) - you select if you are willing to be extended into days off. So for example, they need a Z capt to extend a day from CGN. Rather than just picking someone at random, they look at the list and pick the person who is ok with being extended. The ones that want to get home on time will do just that (unless no volunteers).
someone (not me) suggested a volunteer extension list (a preference in CMS that could be changed at any time) - you select if you are willing to be extended into days off. So for example, they need a Z capt to extend a day from CGN. Rather than just picking someone at random, they look at the list and pick the person who is ok with being extended. The ones that want to get home on time will do just that (unless no volunteers).
#195
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: VVIP 767
Posts: 55
Change the Trip rig to 3.5 to 1. For starters. Are u happy now that I came up with an answer that everyone on the EB knows already. But have passed on this since 1998. Would give most everyone on property the same pay for a day less away from home.
Another one incoming. EVERY hour of credit over 75 hours, which is our guarantee be paid at 150%. STOP the FORCED overtime.
Another one incoming. EVERY hour of credit over 75 hours, which is our guarantee be paid at 150%. STOP the FORCED overtime.
#196
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: MD-11 Guru
Posts: 210
+1.
someone (not me) suggested a volunteer extension list (a preference in CMS that could be changed at any time) - you select if you are willing to be extended into days off. So for example, they need a Z capt to extend a day from CGN. Rather than just picking someone at random, they look at the list and pick the person who is ok with being extended. The ones that want to get home on time will do just that (unless no volunteers).
someone (not me) suggested a volunteer extension list (a preference in CMS that could be changed at any time) - you select if you are willing to be extended into days off. So for example, they need a Z capt to extend a day from CGN. Rather than just picking someone at random, they look at the list and pick the person who is ok with being extended. The ones that want to get home on time will do just that (unless no volunteers).
#197
Occasional box hauler
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,801
Like everyone, I want better QOL. Like everyone my definition is different, which is why it can be so hard to negotiate for. As far as money goes, the flat dollar multiplier needs to be $5,120 simply to keep pace with inflation since 2016 (https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/). Our pay has done better relative to official inflation, but obviously lags industry standards by a wide margin. Industry standard retirement is 18% with cash over cap of a much higher earnings number. The cost of well qualified 121 pilots has gone up. Management will simply have to find their profit margin elsewhere.
#198
VTP definitely pulled forward then flattened our retirement wave over the next few years. ST's seniority list shows 79 mandatory retirements in 2026 and ramping up to triple-digit mandatory retirements starting 2028. We'll see how the early retirement trend continues as we enter contract negotiations.
One impact of VTP is once block hours begin to tangibly increase, it probably won't take as long as past cycles to put staffing under pressure.
Everything is cyclical...
One impact of VTP is once block hours begin to tangibly increase, it probably won't take as long as past cycles to put staffing under pressure.
Everything is cyclical...
#199
Domestic EDW week on/off lines would not functionally change much. Basically those lines would go from credit under guarantee to credit over guarantee, paying more for the same work. However, the Company (Solver) may not want to pay 82.4hr from a bid line construction perspective and decides it is more cost effective to build lines with a 144hr trip and a 120hr trip. That leads to a line crediting just over guarantee, but fully 24hr less work.
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