Jan 2023 new hire class
01-18-2023, 09:18 AM
#51
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Joined APC: May 2006
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That is a little dramatic. The classes they are having now are to clean up for the vacancy bid in December. Without UPS saying anything, they have telegraphed their intentions that hiring was going to take a break with that bid. They further cemented their communication with the Realignment/Displacement bid. We are going to take a break from any real hiring until the economy turns around and they figure out whether it is more beneficial to keep or park half of the MDs. Open time is much lower than in the past, JA calls are low to non-existent. Look at the block hours in the reports section on the IPA website, the data is there. Many that were thinking of retiring early are taking a pause after looking at their 401K/B in the current environment. Mandatory retirements don't pick up for a bit. 2014 to present has been an amazing wave compared to most of my 22+ years here. The sky isn't falling, no furloughs or anything like that. But welcome to the UPS that many of us are used to.
01-21-2023, 05:32 AM
#52
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2022
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That is a little dramatic. The classes they are having now are to clean up for the vacancy bid in December. Without UPS saying anything, they have telegraphed their intentions that hiring was going to take a break with that bid. They further cemented their communication with the Realignment/Displacement bid. We are going to take a break from any real hiring until the economy turns around and they figure out whether it is more beneficial to keep or park half of the MDs. Open time is much lower than in the past, JA calls are low to non-existent. Look at the block hours in the reports section on the IPA website, the data is there. Many that were thinking of retiring early are taking a pause after looking at their 401K/B in the current environment. Mandatory retirements don't pick up for a bit. 2014 to present has been an amazing wave compared to most of my 22+ years here. The sky isn't falling, no furloughs or anything like that. But welcome to the UPS that many of us are used to.
01-21-2023, 07:14 AM
#53
Occasional box hauler
Joined APC: Jan 2018
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He is referring to an era with slow seniority progression. Stagnant total pilot numbers and greater than ten year upgrades. I’m not as pessimistic as he and some others are. My opinion is that the economy will struggle for the next year or two before starting to grow again. Retirements will continue (albeit with guys going out older due to the stock market) and upgrades will slow, but I’m skeptical we will see things stagnate for long.
01-21-2023, 08:33 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
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He is referring to an era with slow seniority progression. Stagnant total pilot numbers and greater than ten year upgrades. I’m not as pessimistic as he and some others are. My opinion is that the economy will struggle for the next year or two before starting to grow again. Retirements will continue (albeit with guys going out older due to the stock market) and upgrades will slow, but I’m skeptical we will see things stagnate for long.
01-21-2023, 09:33 AM
#56
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01-21-2023, 11:09 AM
#57
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One thing to remember, a person can only retire once, if they retire early, the corresponding required number of projected retirements at 65 drops by the exact same amount. We had a pretty big wave of early retirements and that changed the 65 retirements. From the latest IPA growth and attrition report, the average retirement age in 2022 was 62.1. As this varies up and down (retirement age), the projections change.
2014 to present has been the longest and most aggressive growth I have seen in my 22+ years here. The company and economy are both deciding what to do and we are along for the ride. Again, not doom and gloom, just a slower and more characteristic career progression.
The happenings at the legacy carriers is dumbfounding. Two years ago, we were looking at them going out of business without taxpayer (Us) support, now there are 4.5 month 75/76 Captain awards at Delta. I don't want to be a part of that roller coaster ride, and I don't wish it on any pilot anywhere. What goes up must come down, and they seem to hire until the day they furlough.
01-21-2023, 11:25 AM
#58
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,609
At the legacies, folks can take a super junior first available upgrade, and when their seat lock expires bid back to the right seat.
I think that contributes to low upgrade times there....it isn't a mostly permanent decision.
I think that contributes to low upgrade times there....it isn't a mostly permanent decision.
01-22-2023, 05:15 AM
#59
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Posts: 923
Buyer beware coming to UPS. Growth is gone. We will not increase the fleet any more going forward. UPS is very happy with its air capacity/lift. The only thing driving movement going forward is retirements. Even at the highest point, it will only be 150-175 per year, and some of this has been already been pulled forward by early retirements. We are looking at very slow movement and stagnation for the next decade.
01-22-2023, 05:20 AM
#60
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Buyer beware coming to UPS. Growth is gone. We will not increase the fleet any more going forward. UPS is very happy with its air capacity/lift. The only thing driving movement going forward is retirements. Even at the highest point, it will only be 150-175 per year, and some of this has been already been pulled forward by early retirements. We are looking at very slow movement and stagnation for the next decade.
Same thing was said 10 yrs ago…stay tuned.
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