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02-14-2017, 08:23 AM
#42
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She should have never been allowed to board that aircraft.
02-14-2017, 08:24 AM
#43
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Yeah, kind of the same here. I have no tolerance for those who are belittling her, but she should have known better. Assuming she wasn't completely off the rails...who knows?
She'll either have to face disciplinary proceedings for her bad judgement, or claim mental health issues. The later would mean a long, and very likely permanent break from aviation courtesy of OKC.
My guess is UAL will probably pull out all the stops to keep her off the line.
She'll either have to face disciplinary proceedings for her bad judgement, or claim mental health issues. The later would mean a long, and very likely permanent break from aviation courtesy of OKC.
My guess is UAL will probably pull out all the stops to keep her off the line.
My guess that she will never sit in the seat again. It's sad but most likely the reality she is facing. Reflecting on previous precedent at LUA I would guess they company will buy out the rest of her career at book rates and call it a day.
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02-14-2017, 08:34 AM
#44
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My guess is this incident and the media coverage it got will drive more companies to do the Delta shrink deal prior to hiring or tighten the Hogan parameters or both. If we have a German Wings type incident here in the US prepare for all hell to brake loose. I remember 20 years ago the interview question most asked was "what would you do if your captain showed up drunk?" Now it will be "what will you do if your captain goes bat **** crazy." Next question I have is who clears the FA's who come sit in the cockpit when one of the pilots goes to ****. What's going on in their lives. They stand or sit behind the remaining pilot in the cockpit.
02-14-2017, 08:49 AM
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Based on what?
From what I've read, at the point she boarded the flight all that was known was that she had gotten confused about the van and report times and, once realized, rushed to the airport in the clothes that she was wearing.
From what I've read, at the point she boarded the flight all that was known was that she had gotten confused about the van and report times and, once realized, rushed to the airport in the clothes that she was wearing.
02-14-2017, 10:31 AM
#46
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I wouldn't be so sure. That's why we have a union to protect from management overreaction and to protect your rights as an employee. Don't be so quick to presume guilt.
Professional standards committee, EAP, and just plain normal counseling. Nothing wrong with any of those. The FAA endorses all of the above.
Seems many here live in glass houses.
Professional standards committee, EAP, and just plain normal counseling. Nothing wrong with any of those. The FAA endorses all of the above.
Seems many here live in glass houses.
I wasn't making a statement about what will happen it was my own opinion. I feel very bad for her on a personal level but professionally I have zero sympathy. Given Germanwings I don't want her near an airplane ever again.
One of the things that few admit to but most think of is that we do have pilots on occasion that alpa should not protect. Nothing personal but reality. I also am of the understanding that once a pilot sets foot on airport or company property the EAP and or HIMS option is no longer applicable. Did she select the FFD?
btw I only needed to watch the video to presume anything. Her own actions and behavior are pretty damning
02-14-2017, 10:39 AM
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My glass house is crystal clear....obviously yours is rose colored.
I wasn't making a statement about what will happen it was my own opinion. I feel very bad for her on a personal level but professionally I have zero sympathy. Given Germanwings I don't want her near an airplane ever again.
One of the things that few admit to but most think of is that we do have pilots on occasion that alpa should not protect. Nothing personal but reality. I also am of the understanding that once a pilot sets foot on airport or company property the EAP and or HIMS option is no longer applicable. Did she select the FFD?
btw I only needed to watch the video to presume anything. Her own actions and behavior are pretty damning
I wasn't making a statement about what will happen it was my own opinion. I feel very bad for her on a personal level but professionally I have zero sympathy. Given Germanwings I don't want her near an airplane ever again.
One of the things that few admit to but most think of is that we do have pilots on occasion that alpa should not protect. Nothing personal but reality. I also am of the understanding that once a pilot sets foot on airport or company property the EAP and or HIMS option is no longer applicable. Did she select the FFD?
btw I only needed to watch the video to presume anything. Her own actions and behavior are pretty damning
02-14-2017, 10:52 AM
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None of us take joy in seeing a professional peer embarrass and hang themselves and their careers in front of pax and fellow crew members. It's unfortunate and not a fun trainwreck to watch. So what if some of us don't have a clue about mental illness? Are you saying that she just needs a little rehab and should be allowed back in the cockpit?
Um......no. We're not electricians or chefs or even teachers that can go off the deep end and after some work with the shrink slip right back to our job. Doesn't work that way in this line of work. Nor should it.
02-14-2017, 10:55 AM
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None of us take joy in seeing a professional peer embarrass and hang themselves and their careers in front of pax and fellow crew members. It's unfortunate and not a fun trainwreck to watch. So what if some of us don't have a clue about mental illness? Are you saying that she just needs a little rehab and should be allowed back in the cockpit?
Um......no. We're not electricians or chefs or even teachers that can go off the deep end and after some work with the shrink slip right back to our job. Doesn't work that way in this line of work. Nor should it.
Um......no. We're not electricians or chefs or even teachers that can go off the deep end and after some work with the shrink slip right back to our job. Doesn't work that way in this line of work. Nor should it.
I'm not saying that at all. But you people that think a person with mental illness can check themselves with the FFD box in the ipad have no clue what its all about that is all.
Until you have been point person to have to get someone like this help, quit trying to apply your clear and rational thinking to the situation.
That is what I am saying.
02-14-2017, 11:04 AM
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I only mentioned the FFD box as a point of fact that will be used and looked at. You're delusional if you think the lawyers won't pounce on that alone.
You have your opinion and I have mine. I don't want her near an airplane ever again but I sincerely hope she gets the help she needs.
The last thing we need is another Germanwings.
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