krudawg

Please read excerpt from 1952 Law: Section 212(f), states: "Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."
Hmm, what part of that laws give the judicial branch any input? Hmmm?

CALFO

When did Trump find that allowing entry to the aliens from the seven nations would be detrimental to the interests of the United States? I don't think that he ever found this to be the case. Rather, as outlined by Guiliani, Trump made a campaign promise to restrict Muslims and looked for a "legal" means of doing so. Trump may very well "believe" that they pose a threat but he has not "found" this to be the case.

ugleeual

He will win this battle as the language is clear and he does not have to show any proof or evidence of a threat... his word that there is a threat is sufficient per the law. The Supreme Court will rule eventually and it will stop this EO nonsense once and for all.

jsled

Supreme Court? Maybe so. But that'll be plenty of time for current Visa holders to get where they need to be. The gates are open! Come on in!!!

krudawg

You bet. Let's send them all to your neighborhood.

CousinEddie

Yep. Let them in. Nothing to be concerned about in checking intentions.
https://www.aei.org/publication/911khalid-sheikh-mohammed-predicted/

jsled

I'm referring to the 10s of thousands of students and families who had their valid Visas revoked during this crazy BS order.

Trump's travel ban could affect tens of thousands of foreign students - Business Insider


You just wait until we get Trumped. Another stupid action like this one or just an errant tweet. It's coming. Go long oil and defense.

awax

Yeah interesting. How would you put this passage into the context of legal and vetted green card holders who have lived in the country for years. Non-citizens who own property and have kids in pubic school, pay their taxes, contribute to the community, but are now being banned from this country under this ban.

Or how about the rare examples of translators who provides service to US troops, risked everything for the US, lost much, and face possible death if forced to return to their homes. Turned away at the border with the same broad brush approach.

I have no doubt the administration can find some chicken sh&t passage to hang their hats on, but my problem is that it's being done in a vacuum and not under the rule of law on which our society is founded. Why the departure from governmental process?

The logic is the same as if you got a splinter and decided the only solution was to chop down every tree in the forrest.

oldmako

Ding Effington Ding.

baseball

I think the corporate types (CEO's) don't mind open skies/open borders and NAI. They know that any and all downward pressure on wages will be good for the share-holders. Oscar Munoz is just taking care of business so to speak.

This is not all that different from the Aerlingus pilots flying on UAL metal across the pond on UAL routes. The net effect in the negotiating room is that it lowers the price of a pilot. Anyone flying for sub-par wages is a threat to the dignity of the profession and will ultimately work against everything our NC has done for the pilot group as well as the profession.

if we didn't like Aerlingus pilots flying our routes and our metal, then we won't like NAI pilots pushing wages and working conditions down either. The CEO's didn't mind Aerlingus pilots doing the work and it's no surprise that Oscar doesn't mind competition from NAI. He'll just wait for the next negotiating cycle to let us know what the new price of a pilot is.