awax

So what DID you do with the money your parents gave you for comedy school?

detpilot

So because it doesn't affect YOU, then we're not going to pursue any improvements on an entire section of our contract. Thank God you're not the negotiating committee!

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awax

Said another way, virtual bases will only benefit a small number of pilots while requiring concessions from every pilot.

oldmako

Perhaps that's a myopic way to look at it. If DAL management is considering VB's, I suspect they see the benefit in the concept as well. Therefore, I don't see the need for any concessions from anyone.

Like most pilots here, I'll probably retire without ever using the paid moving benefits contained within the contract. Yet, I'm glad that section exists. The same thing could be said for many other contractual items as well. Since so few guys will ever use LTD, shall we dump LTD and give everyone a $3/hr raise? Shall we give all of the civilian guys a small pay raise because they'll never use the MIL benefits within the contract? What about maternity leave? Very few of us are female. Should we dump that section and ridicule them because they made the "lifestyle choice" to have a family? Of course not. Every section should be improved at every opportunity.

One of the things which drew me to this profession was the fact that its a union job with union benefits. I was mentored by old guys who fought for every paragraph of their contracts whether it benefitted them personally or not. Furthermore, they sought to improve each contract at every new negotiation cycle. Their esprit de corps was impressive and infectious. I don't recall them referring to other pilots as "idiots (who made) a poor lifestyle choice for their current job, and then try to carve out a special deal for themselves to correct their poor judgement".

Yet here we are. Happy Holidays everyone.

awax

Wait, what?

Every comment I've made is focused on the UAL CBA for UAL pilots on the UAL property. I'm aware that Delta Airlines and the DAL MEC are exploring virtual bases, good for them! Their book is different than ours in many meaningful ways that would never allow an apples to apples valuation of their virtual basing model simply overlaid to our work rules. For UAL pilots to box themselves in based on something that works at DAL (if it works) would be myopic.

If UAL pilots were to add VB through membership ratification I'd abide by it, but, it's our responsibility to know what we're giving up. I think there's too little discussion about why we have the current staffing rules and how things were decades ago without them. VB's have the potential to gut 40+ years of gains and remove significant value from our CBA. For that kind of give, it damn well better be to the benefit of every pilot, not those that happen to live in a 3rd their city that can't support a real domicile.

Regularguy

Just so you all know Howard publicly discussed VB before the merger and it went no where.

svergin

There! I fixed it for you.

awax

Yep I'm aware.

Given the recent groundswell of interest I'll make all the noise I can to make sure it stays that way. I'm sure you know the details, but the company would love for us to give our work rules away....and they'd let us.

Probe

It will affect me. I will move to Key West, bid the VB flying out of MCO, and the poor souls (far junior to me) who dreamed it all up will still be commuting to reserve out of ORD.

Any change to our contract, will cause unintended consequences. Just like if they made commuting to reserve better than flying 3 ORD HKG a month. It will change how we ALL bid.

detpilot

I was referring to the fact that you included "reserve improvements" in your rant. Which I boldfaced in your quote.

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