DAL to give Virtual Basing a try
12-14-2016, 01:36 PM
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If it dilutes the quantity and quality of flying in an existing base without the contractual provisions of a new Base (such as you mention), it does indeed abrogate seniority. If there's enough flying in a particular city, open a base and allow people to bid into it per the seniority list. For example, hundreds (if not thousands) of pilots have chosen to live, at great expense, within driving distance of SFO. Now, open a "virtual base" in Portland Oregon; the trip pool in SFO diminishes and negatively impacts the livelihood / QOL of the person living in California at the expense of the commuters that now enjoy a lower cost of living AND the ability to drive to work.
12-14-2016, 01:44 PM
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Next, solve reserve and short call coverage in a VB. It's beyond ridiculous to think you can take block hours and man power out of an established base to give commuters a special good deal and not have it affect pilot seniority.
12-14-2016, 01:53 PM
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- Is available systemwide for all pilots to preference, in seniority order, as a new BES.
- Offers paid moves to the new "virtual" base,
- Provides PS Pass travel for at least 6 months while pilots move,
- Allows for Base Trades,
- and, Allows displacement opportunities should the company close the VB.
New flying is just that; new flying. Our CBA has specific language that was hard fought and paid for through negotiations that deals with new flying. I'm not willing to give that away because commuting is hard.
12-14-2016, 02:09 PM
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Are you sure you have that in the right order? There would have to be an LOA in place before a VB is available to bid. Otherwise I'm sure I'd be fighting to be first in line to grieve the company unilaterally changing my work rules.
Next, solve reserve and short call coverage in a VB. It's beyond ridiculous to think you can take block hours and man power out of an established base to give commuters a special good deal and not have it affect pilot seniority.
Next, solve reserve and short call coverage in a VB. It's beyond ridiculous to think you can take block hours and man power out of an established base to give commuters a special good deal and not have it affect pilot seniority.
The issue were are having is I am at Delta so I'm talking about our agreed upon VB language. Sorry for the confusion.
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12-14-2016, 03:43 PM
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12-14-2016, 03:45 PM
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12-14-2016, 04:57 PM
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And to add to the VB info, MCO has from day one been at the top of a very short list of initial test VBs so I'd be surprised if it isn't the first one. That could make the program a success because we still have tons of commuters from there and the surrounding cities within driving distance.
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12-15-2016, 03:40 PM
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If the company can support an additional pilot domicile, there are current contractual requirements and pilot benefits already on the books.
Will a virtual base provide:
Systemwide bid for all pilots to preference the new BES?
Paid moves?
PS Pass travel for at least 6 months while pilots move?
Base Trades?
There are more, but if the answer to any of the questions above is no, than virtual basing absolutely abrogates pilot seniority. Follow the contract.
Will a virtual base provide:
Systemwide bid for all pilots to preference the new BES?
Paid moves?
PS Pass travel for at least 6 months while pilots move?
Base Trades?
There are more, but if the answer to any of the questions above is no, than virtual basing absolutely abrogates pilot seniority. Follow the contract.
12-15-2016, 05:06 PM
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Perhaps because base trades are SENIORITY based? If two Airbus pilots in SFO want to trade with a DEN pilot, it goes to the senior of the two pilots. You can't just do an inside deal with your buddy.
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