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Old 12-01-2016, 12:31 AM
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11 more 777-300s
To be announced within 2 weeks
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50 CS100/300 with 50 options (more 76 seat RJs for express as per scope)
55 A321s instead of the 350s
and 45 new 777x beyond 2018



As far as parking aircraft ...... all 744s and 15 PS 757s by 2018
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Old 12-01-2016, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
11 more 777-300s
To be announced within 2 weeks
and
50 CS100/300 with 50 options (more 76 seat RJs for express as per scope)
55 A321s instead of the 350s
and 45 new 777x beyond 2018



As far as parking aircraft ...... all 744s and 15 PS 757s by 2018
What's you source?
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr
im not going to say i told you so..... nah.... i told you so.... more "deferred" aircraft orders, ie we are going to flatline aircraft nearterm
..... who was claiming 17,000 pilots soon?....
To set the record straight I've posted a few times management (Howard and others) have told those attending captain upgrade training while visiting flight ops in headquarters the 16,000 number. What I reported was accurate that it was said by management, I never said it was going happen. Always said something like don't shoot the messenger this was said.

One thing to consider is some or all of this could be a combination of a negotiating position between Boeing & Airbus and some fleet realignment liked rumored above more 777's and A350's for A320 and A321's. I also wouldn't rule out an acquisition of a JetBlue, Frontier or Spirit. That could get you to the 16,000 number.
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr
im not going to say i told you so..... nah.... i told you so.... more "deferred" aircraft orders, ie we are going to flatline aircraft nearterm
..... who was claiming 17,000 pilots soon?....
Mr. Munoz is on record promising almost $5 billion in increased profit over the next 4 years. That doesn't happen with zero growth. My money is on Sniper's report.

I have my fingers crossed he's right because the day the A321 order is announced is the day I bid Airbus captain.
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Old 12-01-2016, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr
im not going to say i told you so..... nah.... i told you so.... more "deferred" aircraft orders, ie we are going to flatline aircraft nearterm
..... who was claiming 17,000 pilots soon?....
Well, that's not what the article said, so you can't break out the "I told you so" article yet! It says swapping A350-1000's for A350-900's or even A330's. Now, will they defer some orders down the road? Probably. But no deferral for widebody's has been announced.

One positive note from the article. Levy is on record as saying they need to evaluate the stock buyback. Good. Let's stop draining the coffers for the hedge funds
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Old 12-01-2016, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
Mr. Munoz is on record promising almost $5 billion in increased profit over the next 4 years. That doesn't happen with zero growth. My money is on Sniper's report.

I have my fingers crossed he's right because the day the A321 order is announced is the day I bid Airbus captain.
Unless they have unannounced planes in the pipeline, parking the -400's and PS 57's by 2018 is a rather large loss of lift unless they can further increase aircraft utilization.

You've been around long enough to know that an aircraft order does not equate to actually flying said airplanes.
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Old 12-01-2016, 08:11 AM
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Unless they have unannounced planes in the pipeline, parking the -400's and PS 57's by 2018 is a rather large loss of lift unless they can further increase aircraft utilization.

You've been around long enough to know that an aircraft order does not equate to actually flying said airplanes.
Where has there been any indication that PS 57's will be parked?
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Old 12-01-2016, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr
im not going to say i told you so..... nah.... i told you so.... more "deferred" aircraft orders, ie we are going to flatline aircraft nearterm
..... who was claiming 17,000 pilots soon?....
Well...I have a memo in my hand from Steve Forte dated July 9, 1999 that reads:

"by 2009 we could have 1000 aircraft and 17,800 pilots to fly them"

I post a copy of it from time to time on the Wailing Wall in ORD...
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"And if a frog had legs he wouldn't bump his a$$ a-hoppin!"

Name that movie.
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
Where has there been any indication that PS 57's will be parked?
Pure speculation from someone's post above.
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