Dave Fitzgerald

The one thing opening early gets the company? An on time contract with out labor strife. So why exactly is Delta kicking our butts?

My glass is half full at the moment. Seamless contract, happy employees, not emulating the summer of luv? If management really wants to run an airline, this is a good place start.

Grumble

No we didn't.... the MEC gave the NC very direct guidelines on what was negotiable and what wasn't. As soon as the company came forward with the reserve rule changes they wanted vs what we wanted, they were so far apart it was taken entirely off the table.

Go back to the old Pay tables, and look at the hourly rate we'd (you) be negotiating from RIGHT NOW as opposed to what you're actually making.... oh and we're still going into section 6 within months of the original contract.

MasterOfPuppets

It was exactly what sunvox is talking about with Scope and a smoke screen. The company put out 5 things to be negotiated with money and reserve rules highlighted. Down on the bottom with complicated wording was what they needed/wanted the FRMS relief. All the pilots went to war over reserve rules and how you choose to be on reserve and I won’t give up my money for your reserve choice. Reserve comes off the table leaving only money and furloughs. Everybody has a party and the company quietly walks off with the exact thing it wanted and all they had to do was put some money in our bank accounts.

We could have used FRMS for leverage in full section 6 but we gave it away. What leverage do we have now? It would be hard to find any. The money was going to come anyway because there is no way the company wasn’t going to pay us AA and DL rates + a certain percentage. Money is blinding to people.......

oldmako

Perfect summation of the Nay crowds position.

jsled

First of all. No way the company wasn't going to pay us? NO WAY? lol. We've went for years trailing AA and DL in the past. But if YOU say so. And the FRMS leverage was why we got the extension in the first place. Did you go to any union meetings during this time? My LEC officers were not shy talking about it. They didn't think it was the end all beat all leverage YOU seem to think it wielded. But as it turns out, it was worth a 25% pay raise!! And for what? A two year extension? Sheeot. No wonder it passed so overwhelmingly. No brainer, dude.

MasterOfPuppets

It was worth a 25% pay raise.....That’s a lot for a small issue. And yes the had to pay us anyway or we would vote no pretty simple. No brainer amigo

I’m sure the company would give us 30% + to give up scope maybe 50% to give up 100 seats. Can we count on your yes vote?

El10

At the time of the extension AA lagged us, SWA was still negotiating, and DL was on par with us.

The FRMS relief that the extension agreement allowed has yet to used by the company. All of the FRMS applications post extension have used original method.

Firsttimeflyer

I’m in the mindset if FRMS gets us more flying with United painted on the side and not codeshared out like Delta does a lot of, then that equals a lot of high paying widebody jobs, hopefully more widebody aircraft and a larger seniority list which pretty much guarantees pay raises for a lot of the list.

Company could have just as easily said they don’t want it for xxx dollars and figured out a way to code share the segments.

MasterOfPuppets

Careful you have brought up scope concessions of the past........exactly what you said is the scope trap..

Firsttimeflyer

I disagree as I’m a line in the sand no vote when it comes to any scope gives in this next contract. I don’t see FRMS as any kind of scope give if it is creating opportunities for us to fly ultra long haul with our own equipment. Unless I missed something in the wording that says this FRMS business is for codeshare or other Airlines, it means more in house flying. Which is the opposite of giving up scope.