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Old 12-05-2016, 10:32 AM
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If this is the case, Airbus will have to fix it or no US carrier will be able to utilize it. No way they'll let that happen.
IMHO, it all depends if DAL can get an exemption as it sounds like they are applying for one.

That said, if a clean sheet non-compliant design is granted an exemption, what's the whole point of the "regulation" in the first place?
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Old 12-05-2016, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
If this is the case, Airbus will have to fix it or no US carrier will be able to utilize it. No way they'll let that happen.
It will be something like 5% fix, 95% waiver. While they are hammering that out, watch for foreign "as is" A350s at a hub near you. If it's from the ME3, there's a good chance the pilots are on yet another 100+ hour month (time in the bunk doesn't count towards monthly caps over there). Isn't it sad to think that a relative of a passenger killed in the Colgan BUF crash can buy a ticket on a foreign carrier and not realize that the 117 rules that they lobbied Congress so hard for do not apply to that particular flight? That's what globalization is all about: rewarding the lower standard and punishing the higher one. Safety be damned.

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Old 12-05-2016, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
It will be something like 5% fix, 95% waiver. While they are hammering that out, watch for foreign "as is" A350s at a hub near you. If it's from the ME3, there's a good chance the pilots are on yet another 100+ hour month (time in the bunk doesn't count towards monthly caps over there). Isn't it sad to think that a relative of a passenger killed in the Colgan BUF crash can buy a ticket on a foreign carrier and not realize that the 117 rules that they lobbied Congress so hard for do not apply to that particular flight? That's what globalization is all about: rewarding the lower standard and punishing the higher one. Safety be damned.
Makes me wonder why foreign carriers don't have to abide by US rules when operating to/from the US.
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Old 12-05-2016, 01:38 PM
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Makes me wonder why foreign carriers don't have to abide by US rules when operating to/from the US.
For the same reason that we don't have to follow their rules when we fly in their country?
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For the same reason that we don't have to follow their rules when we fly in their country?
Probably because ours or our UPA are already more restrictive?
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Someone who would know said the A350 FCRF "blows," and we got an update that included the following:

...discussed the crew rest area on the A350, and said ALPA is working on an acceptable design. To date, designs presented to ALPA are unacceptable because of access, space and practicality issues.

We reportedly have language that we don't have to fly a new airplane unless its FCRF complies with ALPA's and Part 117 requirements.

Another unrelated issue is not giving the relief pilot(s) access to a CDU through which they can unload the flying guys of ACARS, SATCOM and other such duties because Airbus was insistent that the 350 has a two person cockpit. No different than the 777 in that regard.
I must plead ignorance on the FAR 117 standards for Class 1 crew rest. I do know that actual practice at our company seems to be rather subjective regarding what's acceptable for the various retrofits for both Class 1 and Class 2 facilities. I guess that curtain around a business class seat that cannot even accommodate my shoulders looked pretty cool to the 737 pilot on the review team! It's up to the pilots to put a stop to substandard rest facilities. I'm still baffled that a long range airplane wouldn't come out of the box with a facility that would prompt universal acceptance. Sure looks like the space and design technology exist.
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
IMHO, it all depends if DAL can get an exemption as it sounds like they are applying for one.

That said, if a clean sheet non-compliant design is granted an exemption, what's the whole point of the "regulation" in the first place?
Ran this by my DAL MEC contact, he said he knew nothing of any A350 waiver and called several others who had also never heard anything.
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Old 12-06-2016, 06:42 AM
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Fwiw I had an instructor from TK involved in the A350 program in my jumpseat the other day and he was saying that we are still getting the simulator and that nothing has changed despite the company update.
He also said that we may get some additional A330s and A321s on top of the A350s.
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Old 12-06-2016, 08:22 AM
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He also said that we may get some additional A330s and A321s on top of the A350s.
That's a great rumor!
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Old 12-06-2016, 08:45 AM
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I thought I had read a company release that the first A-350 sim was already at TK, and the bay was being prepped.

"At" meaning still in crates, and not operational.

That being said, I would think the sim installation would be "full speed ahead!" until the moment they decide to cancel the order. They'd have to, in case they don't cancel.

I hope we get them, and 321s. I think 330s are unlikely...too similar to 777 or 787, and just one more fleet to support/bid/train pilots for.
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