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Old 10-18-2016, 06:25 AM
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I guess I should have said that I will not be turning down Delta. The question is should I turn down UAL before interviewing to avoid burning the bridge or maybe turning down a job later as opposed to an interview now. Either way I won't turn anyone down until I have a Delta ID around my neck. If I was lucky enough to get UAL I would most likely already be in Delta training and have to quit. International is not something I want right now but long term UAL has the international. Deltas is dwindling. Now I just want to be on a junior fleet as wife is a pilot and a new baby. Being in the junior bases is great for that! Thanks for all the input. I'll continue with both airlines until I'm forced to make a decision!
Your plan sounds legit, but be careful listening to the melodramatics on this board as to the "dwindling" of Delta's international flying (especially from the NYC market).
This TA actually puts in a floor to limit to the amount of flying as a % of seats in the Atlantic plus a world wide block hour floor, all with much shorter lookback time-frames instead of this contract-long measure/fix period currently in place.
As Mark Twain has said, "The reports of the death of international flying at Delta have been greatly exaggerated." or something to that effect.

That being said, if you can significantly reduce your drive in the NE by going to EWR vs JFK/LGA for your career (assuming you plan on staying in the NE) then I guess leaving your wife with the crappy commute while you waltz to work may not be a bad overall move. UAL has consolidated almost all their eggs into the EWR basket (for the NYC market) so that makes commuting pretty predictable.

Congrats with your truly first-world problem though. Dual legacy pilot couples with young kids, better get a great nanny (I recommend not too hot if you want it to last) and a smart accountant!....I don't know how you do it, and I wish you the best.
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Old 10-18-2016, 06:51 AM
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Which company is going to be in the better position to handle the next major downturn in this industry?

https://www.thestreet.com/story/1385...-analysts.html
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Your plan sounds legit, but be careful listening to the melodramatics on this board as to the "dwindling" of Delta's international flying (especially from the NYC market).
This TA actually puts in a floor to limit to the amount of flying as a % of seats in the Atlantic plus a world wide block hour floor, all with much shorter lookback time-frames instead of this contract-long measure/fix period currently in place.
As Mark Twain has said, "The reports of the death of international flying at Delta have been greatly exaggerated." or something to that effect.

That being said, if you can significantly reduce your drive in the NE by going to EWR vs JFK/LGA for your career (assuming you plan on staying in the NE) then I guess leaving your wife with the crappy commute while you waltz to work may not be a bad overall move. UAL has consolidated almost all their eggs into the EWR basket (for the NYC market) so that makes commuting pretty predictable.

Congrats with your truly first-world problem though. Dual legacy pilot couples with young kids, better get a great nanny (I recommend not too hot if you want it to last) and a smart accountant!....I don't know how you do it, and I wish you the best.
The golden ticket is still getting hired by one of the big four... So once you get your seniority number at one of them it becomes more/more difficult each day that your on property to jump ship. I'd say the only way I'd personally jump ship is that the other airline has a domicile that is where you want to live... Because commuting generally sucks.
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Old 10-18-2016, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Paok
I guess I should have said that I will not be turning down Delta. The question is should I turn down UAL before interviewing to avoid burning the bridge or maybe turning down a job later as opposed to an interview now. Either way I won't turn anyone down until I have a Delta ID around my neck. If I was lucky enough to get UAL I would most likely already be in Delta training and have to quit. International is not something I want right now but long term UAL has the international. Deltas is dwindling. Now I just want to be on a junior fleet as wife is a pilot and a new baby. Being in the junior bases is great for that! Thanks for all the input. I'll continue with both airlines until I'm forced to make a decision!
Why would you turn down an interview if you want to work there?

Chances are if DAL is furloughing during the next downturn UAL will be to so I wouldn't view them as a lifeboat option for your future.

Get an offer then consider the jump. don't sweat it until you get an offer. Don't decide until you get a class date.
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Old 10-18-2016, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Paok
I guess I should have said that I will not be turning down Delta. The question is should I turn down UAL before interviewing to avoid burning the bridge or maybe turning down a job later as opposed to an interview now. Either way I won't turn anyone down until I have a Delta ID around my neck. If I was lucky enough to get UAL I would most likely already be in Delta training and have to quit. International is not something I want right now but long term UAL has the international. Deltas is dwindling. Now I just want to be on a junior fleet as wife is a pilot and a new baby. Being in the junior bases is great for that! Thanks for all the input. I'll continue with both airlines until I'm forced to make a decision!
I don't think it would be burning a bridge to go through the hiring process with United. I think you'd only burn a bridge if you accept a class date and don't give United reasonable notice that you won't be showing up to class if you decide to stay with Delta. Part of the process is about you interviewing United too to see if it's a good fit.
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Old 10-18-2016, 11:11 AM
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Would you leave delta with 1,300 below you?


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Where do you live or want to live? I think that's the biggest question here. I know it's a dead horse, but not commuting and living where you WANT to live is the biggest quality of life improvement anyone will ever get.

In the end the novelty of a particular airline and aircraft WILL wear off. Choose the airline that will have you home the most for a given amount of pay. You'll never regret choosing your family over an additional $500k in your 401k.
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Old 10-18-2016, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FLY6584
Where do you live or want to live? I think that's the biggest question here. I know it's a dead horse, but not commuting and living where you WANT to live is the biggest quality of life improvement anyone will ever get.

In the end the novelty of a particular airline and aircraft WILL wear off. Choose the airline that will have you home the most for a given amount of pay. You'll never regret choosing your family over an additional $500k in your 401k.
Read my post. I'm local to NYC hubs
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Originally Posted by Paok
Read my post. I'm local to NYC hubs
Read the post I was replying to. Tunes asked if someone should leave with 1300 below them.
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Which company is going to be in the better position to handle the next major downturn in this industry?

https://www.thestreet.com/story/1385...-analysts.html
Oh wait, I get it. That's a rhetorical question.
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Old 10-19-2016, 04:22 AM
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I'm Delta, live in NJ. As you mentioned, the drive to JFK/LGA sucks, but we do have flights out of EWR. I'm on the ER and bid those almost exclusively now. I'm told we have a fair share of 320 time out of EWR too. I'd definitely interview, if you get the job its a nice decision to have to make either way.
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