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Old 10-18-2016, 09:22 AM
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Funny seeing the Trump-voting pilots flip out in this thread
It's funny to see Hillary voters turn a blind eye to, and ignore facts. My favorite is when Hillary supporters try to take wikileak material and say that basically the material presented doesn't count because the Russians hacked it. Who cares where the information came from, the information is still valid.

Regardless how someone chooses to vote, neither choice is suitable for office, and it's difficult not to roll yours eyes when someone makes a dumb Trump comment or vice versa. Has anyone seen perhaps the dumbest election billboard in Chicago as you leave O'Hare that says, "If Trump is so rich, why didn't he buy this billboard?". What!?! That is genius - now I'm convinced Hillary is for me
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Don't confuse Baseball with the facts. Facts are so stubborn and annoying especially when they undermine one's firmly held, but baseless beliefs.
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My favorite is when Hillary supporters try to take wikileak material and say that basically the material presented doesn't count because the Russians hacked it. Who cares where the information came from, the information is still valid.
I agree, but there is nothing there so far. Trump's tape on the other hand has 10+ victims corroborating his claims to sexual assault.
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Sorry, but there was a guy in a black dress for American too, but the PBGC director appointed by President Obama fought AMR's efforts to terminate their pensions and won. Please read this article. https://www.thestreet.com/story/1311...ys-merger.html
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But the airline industry is more profitable now. They have choices. It's clear that American labor costs are high and will have to come down, but that doesn't mean they have to terminate the plan.


You guys are ignoring the finances of each airline going through BK and attributing everything to a political party. Do you honestly believe that political party made a difference?

As for FAR 117, no sale. Not a partisan decision.

You Hilliary supporters need to spend a bit of time reading some of the WikiLeaks emails. She's a sociopathic liar, just like Trump. They're the same.
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You guys are ignoring the finances of each airline going through BK and attributing everything to a political party. Do you honestly believe that political party made a difference?
If you think a Republican PBGC appointee would have fought the AMR pension termination regardless of the 'finances' then you are simply ignorant of the political realities in DC.

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As for FAR 117, no sale.
Again, you simply don't know how things work in DC.
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Old 10-18-2016, 09:45 AM
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Leadership, Trump style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjbc15X1zSM&sns=em
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I agree, but there is nothing there so far. Trump's tape on the other hand has 10+ victims corroborating his claims to sexual assault.
Sriusly? I can post a list but I'll just post this one excerpt from a Goldman Sachs transcript:

"But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position."


That's politicalspeak for 'I'll say whatever it takes to get elected. I'll do whatever I want once elected.'
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A Brief History Of NAFTA - TIME

The source should always be considered:
Washington Post Admits Bias Towards Obama

https://www.reference.com/art-litera...85cc277db660bf

Washington Post | AllSides

Good luck finding a truly neutral source. This conversation could go on forever with both sides banging their heads in frustration utterly convinced they're right. It's best, in my opinion, to simply listen to the other "idiots" arguments, and then vote however you're going to vote. Raising your blood pressure over this stuff is not worth it.
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
If you think a Republican PBGC appointee would have fought the AMR pension termination regardless of the 'finances' then you are simply ignorant of the political realities in DC.

Again, you simply don't know how things work in DC.
Please post your firsthand accounts of how things work in DC. I spent several years in the DC area dealing with similar matters. I've had more than a few meetings with Congressional aides. You?

Stop digging.
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Originally Posted by Andy
"But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position."
How do you think Abraham Lincoln got the 13th Amendment through the House? You might want to take a poli-sci 101 class.

Here is a list of revelations. No smoking gun.

A dozen revelations from Wikileaks' hacked Clinton emails - BBC News
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