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Old 10-07-2016, 11:53 AM
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Perhaps, we didn't have the right fleet mix when we merged and guppies were tasked with doing segments it was not really optimized for. Meaning a lot more trans cons, Hawaii, in and out of DEN a bit more. BOS-SFO comes to mind.

Maybe why, in the last couple of years they have been more weight restricted. Hmm, seemed to happen a bit more when we started getting rid of 757's. Different planes, different capabilities, different missions. Using the wrong plane on a route, this will happen. We are still working on getting the right planes on the right routes, and fleet mixes.
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Old 10-07-2016, 12:14 PM
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None of us are using actual performance metrics here so we really don't know which aircraft is best. What would be really nice is some sort of comparison tool on different routes.
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Old 10-07-2016, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KSwift76
I keep hearing that from guys who are flying it now. Most of my time is in the NG's pre-merger and it just never happened to me. Not once. Perhaps its new dispatch software or load planning software or something.... Who knows?
Left 20 pax in IAD in May because we had to apply the ice penalty for an AIRMET for icing over Denver (landing Denver) and the forecast was VFR. The only reason it wasn't 25 was we had the dispatcher use a bleeds off approach/landing for performance. Every DEN bound guppy from the east coast to DEN. One airmet, cost just our one flight $20k (bought off to $1k/pax). Go Boeing.

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None of us are using actual performance metrics here so we really don't know which aircraft is best. What would be really nice is some sort of comparison tool on different routes.
Problem is it varies. Take BOS-SFO. Usual wind and SFO is VFR I'm sure the guppy kills the 757 in CASM. Throw up a stiff headwind, require an alternate, or worse... Both, now the guppy can't even do it. The guppy problems though have longer term reverberations you can't quantify in angry/disgruntled passengers on those occasions where it falls on its face.
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Old 10-08-2016, 06:47 AM
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Probably why there are no 900ER's on BOS-SFO anymore.
Just a mix of 737-800's which can do it all day long without weight restrictions, a 757-300 and a 777.
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:59 AM
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Probably why there are no 900ER's on BOS-SFO anymore.
Just a mix of 737-800's which can do it all day long without weight restrictions, a 757-300 and a 777.
Agreed. I hate the Guppy. Absolutely hate it. The 757 is my favorite airplane of all time, and if they had kept the SEA base open I would have retired on the thing and been totally happy. But in my 2 years on the jet I haven't had one weight restricted flight. Lucky? Probably, as I don't see much Denver, but I've had more experience with weigh restrictions on the Airbus than the Guppster. I think they are figuring out how to use the thing most effectively. If they want to go find 100 used 757's, it'll be like Christmas for me. But even I can't argue with the economics of the 900ER's. I can't hear anything, I'll probably have back issues for life, and if I get one decent landing a year I'll be extatic, but the weight issues are largely worked out.

BTW, there was a HUGE uproar about the 757's constantly having to stop for fuel on the TATL trips a couple of years back. It's not the plane at fault, it's network trying to force them onto a route that doesn't work all the time.
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Old 10-08-2016, 08:06 AM
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Since this topic got pretty far off topic anyway... thought I'd throw in the word...

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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Agreed. I hate the Guppy. Absolutely hate it. The 757 is my favorite airplane of all time, and if they had kept the SEA base open I would have retired on the thing and been totally happy. But in my 2 years on the jet I haven't had one weight restricted flight. Lucky? Probably, as I don't see much Denver, but I've had more experience with weigh restrictions on the Airbus than the Guppster. I think they are figuring out how to use the thing most effectively. If they want to go find 100 used 757's, it'll be like Christmas for me. But even I can't argue with the economics of the 900ER's. I can't hear anything, I'll probably have back issues for life, and if I get one decent landing a year I'll be extatic, but the weight issues are largely worked out.

BTW, there was a HUGE uproar about the 757's constantly having to stop for fuel on the TATL trips a couple of years back. It's not the plane at fault, it's network trying to force them onto a route that doesn't work all the time.
My thoughts as well.
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Originally Posted by PA Slammer
Since this topic got pretty far off topic anyway... thought I'd throw in the word...

MAX

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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂......well played Slammer!
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