220 Additional Aircraft - 17,000 Pilot List
09-19-2016, 03:37 PM
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Don't shoot the messenger - Just passing on what I heard from several check airman who attended a recent Standards meeting. Oscar and other senior management gave briefings.
The company is planning on a net gain of 220 mainline aircraft by 2020. They say this will equate to 17,000 total pilots. It was also said to expect very large bids starting in June of 17. They also say when finished, TK will have a total of 40 Full Flight Simulators.
I know we've heard this before and it doesn't seem feasible given lower recent hiring numbers, significant future retirements and despite of all the hiring they past few years, we continue to stagnate around 12,500 pilots. Nevertheless, this is what senior management is telling check airman at this years annual meetings.
Thought I'd pass on what I heard from multiple check airman who attended these meetings.
The company is planning on a net gain of 220 mainline aircraft by 2020. They say this will equate to 17,000 total pilots. It was also said to expect very large bids starting in June of 17. They also say when finished, TK will have a total of 40 Full Flight Simulators.
I know we've heard this before and it doesn't seem feasible given lower recent hiring numbers, significant future retirements and despite of all the hiring they past few years, we continue to stagnate around 12,500 pilots. Nevertheless, this is what senior management is telling check airman at this years annual meetings.
Thought I'd pass on what I heard from multiple check airman who attended these meetings.
09-19-2016, 04:07 PM
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Just for clarity you don't work for UA correct? But you do seem to have a lot of input to UA threads. Is their a reason for this constant chiming in on UA topics?
09-19-2016, 06:29 PM
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This thread started in June is what he's talking about.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...th-hiring.html
Throughout the summer, has anyone else heard direct briefings from senior management or manpower planning about planned explosive growth. My experience with LCA's is that they tend spread more misinformed rumors than a ladies sewing circle.
For those analytical thinkers left out there, why would a CEO broadcast network growth strategy that could affect analyst's rating, and stock price, to an audience without confidentiality agreements?
09-19-2016, 06:35 PM
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09-19-2016, 07:04 PM
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Management is priming the pump for the shiny jet syndrome 2.0. "If only we'd give in section six we could have ALL these airplanes!"
09-19-2016, 08:14 PM
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shack two
Exactly, look at the audience - a room full of LCAs who are salivating over all the awesome knowledge they'll get to share throughout thousands of transition cycles (if such a briefing ever happened).
Management is priming the pump for the shiny jet syndrome 2.0. "If only we'd give in section six we could have ALL these airplanes!"
Management is priming the pump for the shiny jet syndrome 2.0. "If only we'd give in section six we could have ALL these airplanes!"
shack
except not 2.0
version 8.0, at least...
09-19-2016, 09:21 PM
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I still have contact with many leaving the military considering the different airlines.
If UAL is indeed intending to not only replace retirees but grow their seniority list by an additional 5000+ pilots in the next 5 years, that has a huge impact on the legacy hiring market for pilots which really effects all of the industry.
I do like to hear that UAL is planning on growing and not shrinking though.
I guess we'll know soon enough, the ole crystal ball is always a bit murky.
09-19-2016, 10:55 PM
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I have said this before, and I stand by it. The only way we get any kind of huge growth, is to buy an airline (including a BIG regional), or buy small jets to replace a BIG regional with mainline jets. Either way, we are absorbing the flying of United Express at the mainline, which is good for all UAL pilots. UCH doesn't really grow ASM's much, but the mainline does. This will unfortunately result in fewer frequencies, and open up slots at major airports for LCC competitors.
I believe we will do this in a desperate attempt to staff the current UAX flying. It is getting to be a food fight at the regionals.
Or, we won't.
I believe we will do this in a desperate attempt to staff the current UAX flying. It is getting to be a food fight at the regionals.
Or, we won't.
09-20-2016, 05:50 AM
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Exactly, look at the audience - a room full of LCAs who are salivating over all the awesome knowledge they'll get to share throughout thousands of transition cycles (if such a briefing ever happened).
Management is priming the pump for the shiny jet syndrome 2.0. "If only we'd give in section six we could have ALL these airplanes!"
Management is priming the pump for the shiny jet syndrome 2.0. "If only we'd give in section six we could have ALL these airplanes!"
Every single instructor, evaluator, LCA, APD, and other training and flight management people are required to attend a three day standardization meeting every year. It is a fun filled, action packed event in Denver. And yes part of the meeting was the exact future training plan and growth plans for the next 5 years that have been reported here. I attended the first one in August.
Or maybe it was all a dream.
09-20-2016, 05:57 AM
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