More 777-200s and 777-300
09-15-2016, 06:01 AM
#62
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X,
I know you know this but the company is concerned with the total dollar value of a contract. They could care less if we raised the 47 pay and reduced the 67-400 as long as the total dollar value matched. The whale and the 67-300 were both offered last rights as a reason to keep their pay rates low. The whale lasted five + years and the 67-300 well beyond that in regards to the jcba.
I know you know this but the company is concerned with the total dollar value of a contract. They could care less if we raised the 47 pay and reduced the 67-400 as long as the total dollar value matched. The whale and the 67-300 were both offered last rights as a reason to keep their pay rates low. The whale lasted five + years and the 67-300 well beyond that in regards to the jcba.
I understand your last paragraph but respectfully disagree. We can't social engineer this but rather need to pay an honest rate for the seat being occupied. The pilot needs to determine the acceptable tradeoffs based upon the variables involved. The contract, namely pay rates, should not subsidize those tradeoffs.
09-15-2016, 08:00 AM
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09-15-2016, 02:39 PM
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The Polaris seat configuration for all aisle access was patented. We own exclusive license on it for 5 years.
09-15-2016, 02:56 PM
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How does the Polaris all aisle access differ from Delta One all aisle access which has been in service for several years? Just asking because I am not intimately familiar with the differences.
09-15-2016, 03:11 PM
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09-16-2016, 02:55 AM
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I agree, but I'd say history showed it was the correct move in the case of the 744... not so much with the 763. Obviously, a primary driver behind our current bands was legacy politics.
I think the crux of my heartburn is when I hear categorically pay bands are bad and cost us all money. As you say, the company (and mediators) don't really care how we divide the pie, that's for us to decide. For the reasons I enumerated, I see pay bands as a good thing, which somewhat alleviate the inherent uncertainty of our profession. I've got no more than a couple of contracts left in my career and doubt I'll see a significant change in our current methodology. I see things one way, many see things the another. Nothing wrong with that, I just think real discussion of the pros and cons is a good thing so we can all live with the results knowing we didn't just go along with the status quo (pay bands) or what got decided by a bunch of senior pilots (higher pay for equipment they'll hold for a long time).
I think the crux of my heartburn is when I hear categorically pay bands are bad and cost us all money. As you say, the company (and mediators) don't really care how we divide the pie, that's for us to decide. For the reasons I enumerated, I see pay bands as a good thing, which somewhat alleviate the inherent uncertainty of our profession. I've got no more than a couple of contracts left in my career and doubt I'll see a significant change in our current methodology. I see things one way, many see things the another. Nothing wrong with that, I just think real discussion of the pros and cons is a good thing so we can all live with the results knowing we didn't just go along with the status quo (pay bands) or what got decided by a bunch of senior pilots (higher pay for equipment they'll hold for a long time).
What concerns me is picking winners and losers. What scares me is abrogation of seniority. Even when one manipulates the system for good intentions, there are those who will be harmed unintentionally.
09-16-2016, 05:10 AM
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I see things one way, many see things the another. Nothing wrong with that, I just think real discussion of the pros and cons is a good thing so we can all live with the results knowing we didn't just go along with the status quo (pay bands) or what got decided by a bunch of senior pilots (higher pay for equipment they'll hold for a long time).
As a side note, I would love to be paid based on the productivity and input to the company's bottom line. I know a wide body should pay more. More customers, longer international routes equals more money to the airline. But some charts and graphs and pie charts, etc. would show me the quan...........show me the money.
