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Old 09-10-2016, 11:01 AM
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PIA switching their orders to 787's frees up production slots for another customer to get planes sooner. Or add to an existing order? Maybe a valuable customer you'd really like to keep happy.
I suspect it has more to do with Boeing wanting to keep PIA and the switch to the 787 is essentially a deferral for PIA since they would get 787s later.

Boeing's problem is not a shortage of available 777-300ER production slots. In fact, I'll be shocked if we don't see UAL, AA, and DAL all take some highly discounted 777s off of Boeing's hands. Boeing has a huge glut of 777 production slots to fill prior to the cutover to the 777X and I think all the big boys are smelling a fire sale on the horizon.
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
I suspect it has more to do with Boeing wanting to keep PIA and the switch to the 787 is essentially a deferral for PIA since they would get 787s later.

Boeing's problem is not a shortage of available 777-300ER production slots. In fact, I'll be shocked if we don't see UAL, AA, and DAL all take some highly discounted 777s off of Boeing's hands. Boeing has a huge glut of 777 production slots to fill prior to the cutover to the 777X and I think all the big boys are smelling a fire sale on the horizon.
I think the fire sale started with the 300's we already ordered. Bring em on, and more. The 300ER is supposed to be a huge money maker. Lots of extra room and weight for cargo as well.
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Southwest??
Bahahaha!!! I can just imagine them negotiating with Boeing on 777s. SWA would probably can bargaining after Boeing told them that they couldn't remove the built-in sunshades. Pathetic mentality at that airline
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Old 09-10-2016, 08:55 PM
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Southwest will get 777 as long as the overhead panel is a B737.
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Old 09-11-2016, 01:20 AM
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And get rid of those pesky gear doors, but add million dollar curb feelers that reduce your crosswind limits.
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And get rid of those pesky gear doors, but add million dollar curb feelers that reduce your crosswind limits.
010@35 in a 900ER landing 27 at IAH, with curb feelers... It's not that big of a deal. Wing down, top rudder the target speed is so high I don't think it was more than 3-4 degrees of bank.

The curb feelers, IIRC are only about .5 degrees of bank short of hitting the motor.
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Old 09-11-2016, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
I suspect it has more to do with Boeing wanting to keep PIA and the switch to the 787 is essentially a deferral for PIA since they would get 787s later.

Boeing has a huge glut of 777 production slots to fill prior to the cutover to the 777X and I think all the big boys are smelling a fire sale on the horizon.
I agree, rather than lose a customer, Boeing did the switch.

However, Boeing has also been making regular progress on filling those 777-300ER slots. I wouldn't be surprised that we already have a few more orders than have been announced, and they do have more slots available.

But again, fire sale prices, I bet airlines are hedging a little to see how the fiscal year finishes up to justify ordering more widebodies. Remember our stock buyback debacle? I'd hate to put some downward pressure on the stock price for those investment groups....

Yes they have slots, huge glut? No. SFO gets our first 3 300's, looking forward to them in about 3 months.

Our early 200's are light weight and really need to go despite installing new interiors. Some heavy weight young 200's we could use.
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Old 09-11-2016, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
010@35 in a 900ER landing 27 at IAH, with curb feelers... It's not that big of a deal. Wing down, top rudder the target speed is so high I don't think it was more than 3-4 degrees of bank.

The curb feelers, IIRC are only about .5 degrees of bank short of hitting the motor.
Hence, the term curb feeler.

They could have at least put a little wheel or skid plate on the tip so I would feel so bad about scraping the paint off of them. Or, scraping them off.
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The rumor is as many as 7 additional -300s in addition to the 14 already enroute.
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Originally Posted by bogeydriver
The rumor is as many as 7 additional -300s in addition to the 14 already enroute.
Excellent.
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