UAL T38 Phlyer

Me, too. I suspect that ultimately, the A350 will prove superior to the 787.

(Before the pundits ask why, it's because they didn't stretch to the limit of technology....more of a proven evolution of design. Sparky still has electrical issues (at the gate), and as I understand it, is extremely profitable enrote....but costs maintenance money and reliability getting airborne due to software problems).

2StgTurbine

That is true for any new airplane these days.

Dave Fitzgerald

I'd believe 21 total. That would be 7 more than we have announced now. That also matches several other rumors I've heard.

I don't think Boeing has that many delivery positions left. If there are, 21 more, I'd bet on replacing the A-350's instead of in addition to, but I don't think so. However, I've been wrong before.

Now, if it is 21 more, they are already seriously behind in training, how in the world are we going to train for that? We'd need another sim--but that would be planning ahead....

NFLUALNFL

With a traditional QWERTY keyboard on the back/bottom.

CLazarus

Puh-lenty of delivery positions left for the current generation 777 through 2019. According to Aviation Week as of 22 Aug, Boeing had only reached 20% of its 2016 widebody sales goal (remember, there are 8 net 777-300 orders for the year). More specifically: “We need to secure about 40-50 orders a year to fill the bridge [to the 777X]. We’ve not discussed the specific number of campaigns. Suffice it to say that we’ve got a lot of campaigns in work.” Maybe ultimately only 21 orders in total for us, but we could certainly get more at the right price quickly if we wanted or were able. I dunno what sort of price we negotiated for the 350s back when it was a seller's market, but I imagine we could get a nice discount if we volunteered to go to the back of the line so Airbus could keep other deliveries on time. Nice position to be in, due to extensive planning and forecasting I'm sure. Well played management!!!

Dave Fitzgerald

Agree. But, these are announced delivery positions. Wall street has recently become very panicky about capacity control, and airlines ordering. I'm sure our new board has something to do with keeping more orders unannounced. Stock price is everything to these guys.

Our situation is not unique. After the quarterly report, or even after annual earnings would be the time to announce orders for many airlines. My guess is, more than just us already have planes ordered.

APC225

Looks like we own the patent on the new economy seating as well, at least in the public's view. PR rollout somehow went wrong.

Dave Fitzgerald

Of course everyone except management and marketing knows what is going to happen.

The average web shopper will click on the lowest price, then become outraged at what they do not get when they travel. More disenfranchised customers....if you want more, you have to pay for it.

APC225

This pricing/service plan was inevitable because of this. The rollout was poorly executed.

pilotgolfer

I saw my first A-350 in SFO last week. I believe it was Thai Airways. Good looking machine.