svergin

2017 initial projection was a 2% INCREASE is total system flying.

They amended that saying they were decreasing the number by 0.5% TOTAL.

So that means a 1.5% increase in TOTAL UCH flying.

Mainline INCREASES about 3% in 2017 from 2016 and regional drops to offset. So we net 1.5% growth total.

snolat

I'm an April 27 CJO. I start indoc on Aug 23. I was told and this was confirmed in my email invite to the Aug 23 class that if I passed on this class they wouldn't be able to get me into class until November or December. I will ask for an update on this when we show up for BI next week and report back.

coryk

Exactly. They said after 23 August, no new-hires until Nov/Dec and those classes will only have a handful of new-hires and the rest will be mostly returning furloughed.

I guess I should have phrased that better, I was told to expect January.

cobalt650

If we are going to wait 8-9 months from the CJO, it would be nice to have some solid/official guidance. Even knowing if the regional flow throughs will go ahead of the off the street hires would be helpful. Others are hiring at 100+ a month right now.

82spukram

Cobalt

Quick correction. We do not have a flow just a pref hiring processes. They still had to take the hogan and pass the HR portion. They do not have an SBI portion because United assumes that they are already flying customers around so that's good enough. They are only hiring ~50% of them which is far lower then off the street. The earliest classes they could be offer is this fall and no more than 25% of class. (I will double check all this info but this is my current understanding). I also believe they get in the pool after you since you had a CJO before them. The biggest thing is furloughs can hold wide body fo or narrowbody capt so they are coming back (also I believe that many are coming up on drop dead date so they either have to come back or resign). Many see united is in its best shape in 16 years and are making the choice to come back.

The company really can't estimate how that shakes out until 30 days out. Also things have changed a lot in the last 120 days.

I hope this info helps. And btw when I interviewed in 13 the same thing happened.....weeks turned into 3 months for me and somebody who interviewed 4 weeks after me was in the pool for 9 months. Just timing.

MasterOfPuppets

United furloughs only have to provide 30 days notice to come back and I'm not sure how long LOA pilots need to give notice. Since the passage of the contract extension, and upgrades going junior. a ton of pilots have decided to come back. The company has no idea how many are out there until 30 days prior. Also they lowered their hiring projections due to this large wave of leave pilots and also the right sizing of bases. This IAH 787 FO displacement effectively reduces the need for 75 new hires. Not to mention the 747 draw down.

The airline staffing is in such a state of flux right now I really don't think they could give you guidance. The bottom line is that new hires are needed, we are growing mainline and you will get a class, but pilots on the seniority list get first crack.

as far as the regional CPP deals go the contracts state a very small number must be taken by UA per year. I have no idea what that number is or what year UA must start taking pilots. I know its based off a percentage of pilots on property and is a small number, most likely will be less than 50 pilots per year combined Xjet and CommutAir.

webecheck

I heard the LOA folks had to return this year or resign, could be wrong though. As for waiting in the pool, it only really matters if you're broke with no other income, or you have a job opportunity with another airline. Your potential seniority number at UAL isn't going to change if you start next month, or in 6 months. The pool is a first in first out deal, so the company suspending OTS hiring doesn't mean you're QoL in the future will be hampered because you're more junior. If you really want to be at United, it's going to happen, just going to take a few extra months. Even if you could start somewhere else, waiting in the pool at UAL still doesn't mean you won't have a better overall career seniority reach around. I understand that Delta is hiring 100 month, but they aren't putting old dudes back into the fold, which is actually better for you than the young new hires Delta has thrown in the seniority list ahead of you. I think the disparity between UAL and DAL numbers classing up is from DAL having more mil leave droppers, which necessitates larger staffing numbers to produce the same number of widgets. Most, if not all, LOA returns are likely completing mil obligations entirely, and the former mil new hires at UAL seem to be more of the retired dudes. It would make sense that if a company wanted the mil experience, but also not have to worry about how much said new hire would produce due to mil obligations, they'd go after the retiree and not the separatee. I don't think they would actually deny an invite to someone simply separating, but I know they are going after more military, and anecdotally if they have a limited number of interview slots available you can see how the company would get more bang for the buck by taking the retiring dude over the separating dude. Additionally, I have heard about some mil retiring bros getting invites way in advance, as if the company is saying we have a spot for you in 6-9 months once you're terminal.

cadetdrivr

As a blanket statement, I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. There are multiple types of LOAs out there and different ones have different requirements.

As far as the furloughed pilots are concerned, they have 10 years from date of furlough to return so we are talking various 2018-2019 dates.

webecheck

I meant furloughed pilots and used the LOA term because those absences are the bulk, but yeah, I had heard most were pumpkins after this yr. Wasn't there even an update on FT about OTS hiring being slowed due to company obligations for furlough returns that had to happen this yr? I could go try to find it, but it's just not that important to me. The point of the whole issue is the poolies and their concern about how the tng delays affect them.

ugleeual

The date is the same for everyone... Not pieced by furlough date.