2017 Hiring forecast and interview times
06-05-2016, 02:52 PM
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So between the growth of the seniority list over the next 5 years, retirements (BK states add 10% to those retirement numbers for medical and early retirees), United needs to hire at least 1200-1300 a year based on the expansion and retirements alone.
Are there any plans to somehow increase beyond the projected 1000 a year?
Are there any plans to somehow increase beyond the projected 1000 a year?
In the last two years, it has differed by only 4-5 guys (total), so I think the "10%" is a bit optimistic. More like 1%.
As far as training capacity goes: flew a trip recently with an old military bud who is in the upper levels of DENTK. They are trying to decide if they will add 4 bays, or 10. He said (as far as he knew) that decision hadn't been made yet. Four bays would go on the East end of the "F" building; 10 bays would go on the southeast end of "C."
We are at max capacity for training, which is limited by the number of physical simulators (hence using sims in Vegas and Miami), but also by PEOPLE...just not enough Instructors, and they can't really afford to train more....it makes you short one more guy on the line, not to mention, the guy training the Instructor is not training a guy for the line.
As far as Oscar: the fact that they unveiled the new "Polaris" product last week (which actually DOES look pretty comfortable) says that somebody at the top is not sweeping our faults under the carpet, and is actually addressing it. If they can pull it off the way it is envisioned, I think it is a pretty good lure.
Since that product is meant for the uber-longhaul and Atlantic, it says to me they are thinking about wooing the premium traveller back, and if NAI goes through, we can cater to the premium market, and let them have the leisure travellers.
The 777-300s and A-350s will have Polaris when they are delivered, and it is going to be retrofit to the 767-300s.
Interesting times.
06-05-2016, 06:25 PM
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They might as well as 14 bays if we are going to be a 18000 pilot airline. And bring back making serious money on contracting out training and simulators at TK. Why pay to use other sims when we could be cashing in having our own.
06-05-2016, 06:30 PM
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AND, by 2020, we have a bunch of 777-200's that are 25 years old, a bunch of airbus's 25-30 years old, some 757's and 763's that are over 35 years old. There are lot of mainland aircraft that can, and will, be sent to the desert in a downturn.
I do see 70 seat RJ's coming to the mainline, and that is the way forward to 18k pilots. Or, we buy somebody. I would have guessed Alaska until they paid 4B for VX.
UAL is sticking to seat mile growth of under 2% total. That doesn't get the mainline to 18k pilots in 4 years unless more of UAL flying comes to the mainline, and express shrinks.
I do see 70 seat RJ's coming to the mainline, and that is the way forward to 18k pilots. Or, we buy somebody. I would have guessed Alaska until they paid 4B for VX.
UAL is sticking to seat mile growth of under 2% total. That doesn't get the mainline to 18k pilots in 4 years unless more of UAL flying comes to the mainline, and express shrinks.
All 777 , A319/20 and 763s will be on the property till at least 2025 unless something drastic happen ( fuel crisis or 9/11.type). BTW 757s most old ones already gone but the new ones and they are good till 2025 as well.... 737s most have been build late 99s and 2000s still new
Time will tell but 950 frames by 2020 is doable
Ps and I know Probe you have been here since 95 and have seen a lot. But different times I hope
9/89 since I joined this business as well but I am more optimistic today more than ever
06-05-2016, 09:50 PM
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I've asked a few of the FO's I've flown with who were upgrading soon after we flew to let me know what they heard during Captain Indoc which is conducted at headquarters in Chicago. They get briefings from senior management and even Oscar Munoz our CEO usually visits.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting back what I've heard. I know it's very optimistic and yes things can change in a NY second.
That being said here is what I've heard recently.
Current mainline fleet is 723, by end of next year 816 and up to 1000 in five years.
Planning on a 18,000 pilot seniority list in five years, current list just over 12,500.
Taking delivery of all 35 firm and 15 options of the A350's.
14 777-300's 4 to SFO rest to EWR.
40% of pilot group will be new hires in five years.
Most senior managers say they have never worked for a CEO like Oscar, very optimistic.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting back what I've heard. I know it's very optimistic and yes things can change in a NY second.
That being said here is what I've heard recently.
Current mainline fleet is 723, by end of next year 816 and up to 1000 in five years.
Planning on a 18,000 pilot seniority list in five years, current list just over 12,500.
Taking delivery of all 35 firm and 15 options of the A350's.
14 777-300's 4 to SFO rest to EWR.
40% of pilot group will be new hires in five years.
Most senior managers say they have never worked for a CEO like Oscar, very optimistic.
06-06-2016, 04:59 AM
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Great info thanks! Any gouge on rough time for interviews based on availability date? I have a buddy, a new fo said guys are getting calls on or after their availability date which seemed wierd to me.
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06-06-2016, 06:07 AM
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All 777 , A319/20 and 763s will be on the property till at least 2025 unless something drastic happen ( fuel crisis or 9/11.type). BTW 757s most old ones already gone but the new ones and they are good till 2025 as well.... 737s most have been build late 99s and 2000s still new
Time will tell but 950 frames by 2020 is doable
Ps and I know Probe you have been here since 95 and have seen a lot. But different times I hope
9/89 since I joined this business as well but I am more optimistic today more than ever
Time will tell but 950 frames by 2020 is doable
Ps and I know Probe you have been here since 95 and have seen a lot. But different times I hope
9/89 since I joined this business as well but I am more optimistic today more than ever
I do think we will have 18k pilots. I just think 6000 of them will be flying smaller airframes than we currently have at the mainline. And UCH will have much smaller numbers of 37-50 seaters.
06-06-2016, 11:32 AM
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They just updated the hiring for the year. Looks like they added on another August class. Also just because there aren't classes every week doesn't mean the hiring isn't significant. In December there were only 2 classes, but it was about 100 total pilots.
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