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Old 08-21-2016, 04:42 PM
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If my meager mind can remember, I believe UAL paid more in the late 90's for 50 seat CRJ's, than we just paid for 737-700's. Sounds like a no-brainer.

How much are they paying me to fly that thing?
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:08 AM
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Flown both. No comparison. I question the CASM numbers as the NEO is outselling the MAX By 5:1. Anecdotal observation on the 319 vs 700 is they burn the same amount of gas for identical performance. The Bus does feel "cheap" and kind of rickety on the ground where as the guppy feels solid, especially on takeoff but that's because the 737 starts pressurizing right away, Bus doesn't pressurize until after take off. If I had to pick one to fly the rest of my career, no question it's the Bus. Absolute joy to hand fly as well. 321 vs 900ER guppy loses in CASM there too. Reason we have a ton of them is it was a reparation for the delays in 787.
What's with all the strange noises you hear while taxing around inside the airbus? Never heard them in the cockpit while jump seating, only in the main cabin. It sounds like R2D2 is introducing himself to c3Po in the middle of a electric motor and servo show.
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:11 AM
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Is the 319/320/321 a common type?
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Old 08-22-2016, 04:37 AM
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What's with all the strange noises you hear while taxing around inside the airbus? Never heard them in the cockpit while jump seating, only in the main cabin. It sounds like R2D2 is introducing himself to c3Po in the middle of a electric motor and servo show.
If they are taxiing single-engine, it is the hydraulic transfer pump/motor. It uses pressure from the operating system to drive a hydraulic motor, which then drives a hydraulic pump to pressurize the opposite system. (Been 13 years; apologies to the Bus drivers if the nomenclature isn't right).

But it only runs until the other system comes up to pressure---then it stops. If there is a new demand on that system (flight control movement, for example), the pressure drops, and it happens again.

Same thing happens at the gate when arriving. Right engine gets shut down, and cargo doors (hydraulic, if I recall correctly) are opened. Transfer pump starts running, and everyone thinks it sounds like a barking dog or a big double-pull lumberman's saw. When the left engine shuts down, the transfer system slowly fades out, like the dog is falling asleep.

It seems to be located in the belly between the overwing emergency exits, and that is where it is the loudest.
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Old 08-22-2016, 05:04 AM
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Yup. Method 2 isn't even a thing on the Bus.
Method 2 isn't even a thing on the 737! It is a dispatch exercise only. There is no point in the lower 48 where drift down is ever a problem.
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Old 08-22-2016, 06:37 AM
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Is the 319/320/321 a common type?
They are. fill, fill, fill
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:22 AM
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Method 2 isn't even a thing on the 737! It is a dispatch exercise only. There is no point in the lower 48 where drift down is ever a problem.

well, then it IS "a thing"

maybe not a big deal. or a concern. but "a thing"

i flew it. i know. don't try snow jobs or semantics on a pilot forum. because there are pilots on here.
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Old 08-22-2016, 08:51 AM
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well, then it IS "a thing"

maybe not a big deal. or a concern. but "a thing"

i flew it. i know. don't try snow jobs or semantics on a pilot forum. because there are pilots on here.
It is a dispatch exercise because Method 2 is computed in Sabre incorrectly with Wing Anti-Ice ON. The 737 uses wing-anti ice as a deicer only. The penalty that saber applies is invalid. This info was published recently in the 737 fleet letter. I guess you don't know what you don't know
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
What's with all the strange noises you hear while taxing around inside the airbus? Never heard them in the cockpit while jump seating, only in the main cabin. It sounds like R2D2 is introducing himself to c3Po in the middle of a electric motor and servo show.
T38 hit it, mostly. The whine you hear is an electric hyd pump that's run when a motor is shut down. This prevents the power transfer unit (PTU) from trying to pressurize the opposite side that isn't being powered by the engine driven pump. That barking dog you hear in the back is the PTU. You run the electric pump to pressurize the system so the passengers don't have to listen to the barking dog. At the gate you'll hear electric hyd pumps come and go since that's how the cargo doors are opened and closed.
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Old 08-22-2016, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ozoneflyr
It is a dispatch exercise because Method 2 is computed in Sabre incorrectly with Wing Anti-Ice ON. The 737 uses wing-anti ice as a deicer only. The penalty that saber applies is invalid. This info was published recently in the 737 fleet letter. I guess you don't know what you don't know
okay maybe u got me
but back in the day, on the lil guppy, we were always lookin at that method one and two stuff crossing the rockies

but... i stand by my other points about guppy..
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