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Old 04-20-2016, 06:59 PM
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Ex-Continental CEO: United doesn't need me
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So. Moving on...
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That didn't go well......
United Airlines Earnings Call Takes a Harsh Turn As Analyst Asks 'Does Mediocrity Suffice?'
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From the CC: "And Jim Compton, chief revenue officer, said United is picking up passengers in its hubs."

Seems to me we should add hubs then!

Part of that is tongue in cheek, but at some point you have to spend money to make money. Shrinking isn't the answer, as one analyst asked, especially for an airline so entrenched in international markets. What good would that do besides give the connecting passengers less options. Re-establish Seattle and something in FL.
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From the CC: "And Jim Compton, chief revenue officer, said United is picking up passengers in its hubs."

Seems to me we should add hubs then!

Part of that is tongue in cheek, but at some point you have to spend money to make money. Shrinking isn't the answer, as one analyst asked, especially for an airline so entrenched in international markets. What good would that do besides give the connecting passengers less options. Re-establish Seattle and something in FL.
Check out the March 25th flight ops update on your iPad. Your question was brought up at a town hall meeting. The reason we will never have a Southeast hub is addressed in detail.

This is truly bad news that the net margin gaps are expanding again with our competition. Notice that nobody dared to directly use the "well we are two years behind DAL in our integration" excuse this time on the earnings call? Oscar and this new board are going to have some heavy lifting to do.
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because we suck..i have two GS guys in my family. Both went running to DAL. Im trying to get them to come back but no luck yet. Im optimistic..but that isn't going to change our customers experience.
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because we suck..i have two GS guys in my family. Both went running to DAL. Im trying to get them to come back but no luck yet. Im optimistic..but that isn't going to change our customers experience.
"Because we suck" is probably a bit harsh, but your point about the customer experience is spot on. I don't think I've ever observed or worked for a company that has had as many "wrong" people in customer contact positions as United.

I was in the industry a long time and United was always one of the biggest with a superior network. However, it was rarely considered the best, nor was it nimble in the market place. That was always left to Delta...and that goes back to before some of the new guys were born.
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
"I don't think I've ever observed or worked for a company that has had as many "wrong" people in customer contact positions as United.

I was in the industry a long time and United was always one of the biggest with a superior network. However, it was rarely considered the best, nor was it nimble in the market place. That was always left to Delta...and that goes back to before some of the new guys were born.
I was in the Delta "system" for 16 years. They've got as many "wrong" people as UAL does. Big D hasn't always been the golden child it is right now. Not sure what you are remembering but I had/have a very different opinion of them than you do apparently.

SSDA: same $&@#, different airline.
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
"Because we suck" is probably a bit harsh, but your point about the customer experience is spot on. I don't think I've ever observed or worked for a company that has had as many "wrong" people in customer contact positions as United.

I was in the industry a long time and United was always one of the biggest with a superior network. However, it was rarely considered the best, nor was it nimble in the market place. That was always left to Delta...and that goes back to before some of the new guys were born.
As a retired line person sitting in your rocking chair you come to that conclusion. Just for the record, United customer service went down the tube on day one of the merger. You've been known to bash United - would that be from not getting hired at UAL, AA or DAL in the late 70's - sour grapes. Must of been tough having to settle.
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As a retired line person sitting in your rocking chair you come to that conclusion. Just for the record, United customer service went down the tube on day one of the merger. You've been known to bash United - would that be from not getting hired at UAL, AA or DAL in the late 70's - sour grapes. Must of been tough having to settle.
His point about having a superior network that yields marginal results is valid. Even going back to the late 90s, was UAL more profitable than DAL or AAL? We should have been, given the ESOP labor cost advantage back then, but we only kept pace at best. It seems as though the size and complexity of the network may cost too much for the revenue we squeeze out of it. As a result, our financial metrics tend to lag the competition. If Oscar's team doesn't find a way to close the margin gap with the competition, I wouldn't be surprised to see the network downsized and simplified eventually. The call to do just that has come from Wall Street before.
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