Did OM's respite cause current Board Takeover
04-06-2016, 05:40 PM
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For starters, there was this:
Then there were at least five times where you keep babbling that
"the BOD rubber stamped everything Smisek did." answered in several prior post
So between
the fake heart attack, reread prior post on context otherwise you bring it up to discredit
the supposed connection with Lorenzo,don't know what you're talking about - do you have a quote?
walking around with a BP monitor (whatever that means)answered this as well. Don't be lazy and search for it. At least understand what a BP monitor is and what it does.,
and
refusing to see that a change in leadership has had a direct impact on the operation..... this is your best. You can't accept the change was due to JS leaving as opposed to OM arriving.
you have pretty much shot craps. far from it. You and the following want to anoint the 'pig in the poke' as the savior. For the sake of the airline, it's employees and their families we all hope he is "THE ONE" but the fact that GB and the outsiders sense weakness on his and boards part send a message of lack of respect for OM and open door for the pickings..
Then there were at least five times where you keep babbling that
"the BOD rubber stamped everything Smisek did." answered in several prior post
So between
the fake heart attack, reread prior post on context otherwise you bring it up to discredit
the supposed connection with Lorenzo,don't know what you're talking about - do you have a quote?
walking around with a BP monitor (whatever that means)answered this as well. Don't be lazy and search for it. At least understand what a BP monitor is and what it does.,
and
refusing to see that a change in leadership has had a direct impact on the operation..... this is your best. You can't accept the change was due to JS leaving as opposed to OM arriving.
you have pretty much shot craps. far from it. You and the following want to anoint the 'pig in the poke' as the savior. For the sake of the airline, it's employees and their families we all hope he is "THE ONE" but the fact that GB and the outsiders sense weakness on his and boards part send a message of lack of respect for OM and open door for the pickings..
04-06-2016, 06:07 PM
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Try this:
Now it's "context?" Nice backtrack.
Not really, you asked for a quote where you implied the BOD was involved in day to day operations and I gave you one which you ignored.
I know exactly what it does, I've never seen anyone walking around wearing one- especially a Fortune 500 CEO. Was he dragging an IV stand too?
I never said it wasn't due to Smisek leaving, that opened the door for Munoz to start making immediate operational changes like fixing the duty extension, allocating more money for parts which immediately reduced placards and aircraft refusals, and changing the flow of aircraft from system wide to dedicated hubs so a weather event in one hub didn't drag the entire system down.
Go to Willis Tower and talk to ANYONE who works in system control and they will tell you that you are mistaken. All you need to do is call the FODM and he will show you around, or you can continue to be a misinformed keyboard warrior. Your choice.
He's basically aligned with Frank Lorenzo as part of his "poison pill" to protect themselves.
I don't know legally how close Lorenzo can get to an airline considering rulings from his last attempt at airline ownership but he owns/controls a substantial amount of United stock.
Before you say OM hasn't entered an agreement with Lorenzo, OM DIDN'T REFUTE IT WHEN FRANK ANNOUNCED THAT OM WAS HIS BOY. It only poses the question of what OM had to promise Frankie for his support.
I don't know legally how close Lorenzo can get to an airline considering rulings from his last attempt at airline ownership but he owns/controls a substantial amount of United stock.
Before you say OM hasn't entered an agreement with Lorenzo, OM DIDN'T REFUTE IT WHEN FRANK ANNOUNCED THAT OM WAS HIS BOY. It only poses the question of what OM had to promise Frankie for his support.
Not really, you asked for a quote where you implied the BOD was involved in day to day operations and I gave you one which you ignored.
Go to Willis Tower and talk to ANYONE who works in system control and they will tell you that you are mistaken. All you need to do is call the FODM and he will show you around, or you can continue to be a misinformed keyboard warrior. Your choice.
04-06-2016, 06:43 PM
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BS...........
I never said it wasn't due to Smisek leaving, that opened the door for Munoz to start making immediate operational changes like fixing the duty extension, allocating more money for parts which immediately reduced placards and aircraft refusals, and changing the flow of aircraft from system wide to dedicated hubs so a weather event in one hub didn't drag the entire system down.
The operational changes were likely done by middle management with the blessing from their bosses. Like I said - the employees, that includes middle management, started doing their job without fear of the JS rein and punishment. It had nothing to do with OM other than him being the named CEO on medical respite.
Go to Willis Tower and talk to ANYONE who works in system control and they will tell you that you are mistaken. All you need to do is call the FODM and he will show you around, or you can continue to be a misinformed keyboard warrior. Your choice.
04-06-2016, 07:03 PM
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The operational changes were likely done by middle management with the blessing from their bosses. Like I said - the employees, that includes middle management, started doing their job without fear of the JS rein and punishment. It had nothing to do with OM other than him being the named CEO on medical respite.
Now you want to tell us that OM hangs around OPB micro-managing the operation. Sad, you just can't accept the fact that OM has really done nothing and has been the recipient of an airline that had qualified employees running the show. The changes that have occurred would have likely occurred had Hart been named permanent CEO - it's only because of JS leaving. Talk about being misinformed - please own up and stop the OM Lovefest until he's proven himself.
Never said he micromanaged anything, quite the contrary......he gave people the tools they needed and got out of the way instead of running everything through a spreadsheet like Smisek did.
Either bring some facts to the argument or ****, saying "likely" this and "likely" that doesn't mean a thing. If you had any idea how stupid you sound you would have quit talking a long time ago.
Any comment on your Lorenzo caper?
04-06-2016, 07:07 PM
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Sad, you just can't accept the fact that OM has really done nothing and has been the recipient of an airline that had qualified employees running the show. The changes that have occurred would have likely occurred had Hart been named permanent CEO - it's only because of JS leaving.
04-06-2016, 07:11 PM
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04-06-2016, 07:21 PM
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I normally don't lower myself into these sorts of conversations, but you know the saying, what happens when you argue with an idiot??
You are enabling him. Just don't respond. His words speak for themselves. This is embarrassing, for both sides. Just stop it.
You are enabling him. Just don't respond. His words speak for themselves. This is embarrassing, for both sides. Just stop it.
04-06-2016, 07:29 PM
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I suppose it's coincidence that none of these changes happened until after Smisek was gone. They had a blessing from their bosses, under the direction of OM- ask them....I did.
You consider Smisek "qualified?" Ok. "Likely? Ok.
Never said he micromanaged anything, quite the contrary......he gave people the tools they needed and got out of the way instead of running everything through a spreadsheet like Smisek did.
Either bring some facts to the argument or ****, saying "likely" this and "likely" that doesn't mean a thing. If you had any idea how stupid you sound you would have quit talking a long time ago.
Any comment on your Lorenzo caper?
You consider Smisek "qualified?" Ok. "Likely? Ok.
Never said he micromanaged anything, quite the contrary......he gave people the tools they needed and got out of the way instead of running everything through a spreadsheet like Smisek did.
Either bring some facts to the argument or ****, saying "likely" this and "likely" that doesn't mean a thing. If you had any idea how stupid you sound you would have quit talking a long time ago.
Any comment on your Lorenzo caper?
Yes - Lorenzo endorsed OM - that's enough for me. OM LIKELY asked FL for advice.
Stop the Lovefest - you're starting to sound pathetic.
04-06-2016, 07:35 PM
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I guess you like bulling people into submission - not here slick. Did OM authorize those tools from his sick bed or did Hart make the decision for him. This post proves what I've been saying all along - change occurs because JS left and not because OM arrived.
Yes - Lorenzo endorsed OM - that's enough for me. OM LIKELY asked FL for advise.
Stop the Lovefest - you're starting to sound pathetic.
Yes - Lorenzo endorsed OM - that's enough for me. OM LIKELY asked FL for advise.
Stop the Lovefest - you're starting to sound pathetic.
04-06-2016, 09:08 PM
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During the Oct 2015 time range when Oscar was out with heart problems HR guy Mike Bonds took the initiative to force a quote last final offer (sht sandwich) onto the mechanics who then voted it down 93% no and also wasting 6 months in the process. Saving the company tens of millions of dollars and probably triggering some nice bonuses on the top.
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