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Old 04-06-2016, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
Not wrong at all - just a realist. Look, the IAM like ALPA has signed on to the OM love fest only because he is the 'pig in the poke' and they would rather go for the unknown than the likely known outcome of GB's outside group.
What exactly is "unknown" about the contract they just "went for?"
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Old 04-06-2016, 08:20 AM
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Wednesday, March 30, 2016

United Airlines will celebrate its 90th anniversary on April 6, 2016. The MEC Strategic Planning and Strike Committee (SPSC) has organized an informational picketing event in Boston, Mass., to mark this historic occasion.

The informational picketing will be conducted at the headquarters of PAR Capital Management and Altimeter Capital in Boston's financial district. United Pilots, who have invited flight attendants, machinists, ramp workers, operations personnel and customer service personnel to join us, will picket from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. at One International Place (100 Oliver Street) in Boston.

As has been widely reported, PAR Capital Management and Altimeter Capital are attempting to gain effective control of United’s Board of Directors. This takeover attempt, being done for their own benefit and without publicly stating their intentions for the future of the
airline, unnecessarily distracts all employees from our commitment to improve customer service and grow United Airlines.

Pilots in or near Boston have been asked to provide out of town pilots a place to stay. If you need accommodations, please contact the SPSC's Captain Pieter Velzeboer at [email protected] or Captain Scott Freeman at [email protected].

Uniform for the picket is coat and hat. Weather forecasts call for cold and rain. Please dress accordingly.


How to Get There

By Car
Public parking available at
1. Pilgrim Parking Parking Garage 265 Franklin St (617) 737-0977
2. One Parking Parking Garage 1 Federal St (202) 973-9315
3. Garage At Post Office Square Parking Garage Zero Post Office Square (617) 423-1430

By Metro (MBTA) The “T”
From the airport- Take the SILVER LINE from Terminal 2 Arrivals level, get off at SOUTH STATION (13 minutes). Exit the station and walk up ATLANTIC Avenue (go
with traffic) for 3 blocks. Turn LEFT onto OLIVER Street (again, with traffic) up two blocks. Walk time 8 minutes.

From Another Location or the Airport
Take the BLUE LINE to the AQUARIUM STOP. Exit the station and walk EAST (with the traffic) on STATE street for one block. Turn LEFT onto JOHN F FITZGERALD SURFACE ROAD, which turns into PURCHASE Street (again with the traffic) for four blocks. Turn RIGHT onto OLIVER Street. Walk time 8 minutes.

From the Downtown Layover Hotel- Renaissance Waterfront Boston
Enter the T in front of the MANULIFE Building. Take the SILVER LINE to SOUTH STATION exit. Six minutes. Exit the station and walk up ATLANTIC Avenue (go with traffic) for 3 blocks. Turn LEFT onto OLIVER Street (again, with traffic) up two blocks. Walk time 8 minutes. See the picture above regarding the walk from South Street Station to picket site.


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Old 04-06-2016, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Munoz engaged the employees and unions immediately upon becoming CEO so it was obviously not motivated by PAR & ACE much less Buffoon.

Just about everything you speak of is not necessarily attributed to OM. With 7 months on the job and about 4 months on sicklist or on light duty. You're starting to sound like FOX News selling an OM Love Fest.

In seven months under Munoz the pilots and dispatchers have overwhelmingly approved contract extensions and the IAM has TAs for its seven groups nine months before the amendable date. These deals cover over half the employees. United has gone to the top of the DOT rankings with Delta and financial performance has improved substantially, closing on Delta. United has also added 4 777-300s, 5 787-9s & 65 737-700s near term orders at discounts up to 75% off the list prices.

It's likely attributed more to JS and not OM. The DOT number is a joke when adding additional flight time and leave passengers at the gate to make on time departure/arrivals. Has never been an important number other than reporting. United didn't buy a bunch of airplane, Boeing sold them a bunch of airplane - there is a difference.
You, like many others, are looking for a father figure to correct all the ills of a poorly orchestrated merger. Fact is - OM sat on the board rubber stamping everything JS did or wanted. He took over the airline as a means to protect himself and the board from some of the likely investigations around JS and the others caught in wrong doings.

Is OM the one? I don't know but like our ALPA leaders decided it is better to buy the 'pig in a poke' than align with a group of an almost sustain outcome.

OM has been running the airline for 7 months and about 4 months at less than full capacity. He just hasn't been on the job long enough to be the attributable factor in some of the things you regurgitated. I'm still convinced that the improvement in the airlines performance is due to a motivated employee group resulting by the departure of JS and not OM's arrival. There is a difference.
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Old 04-06-2016, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
What exactly is "unknown" about the contract they just "went for?"
The unknown is the 'pig in the poke' not their contract - keep grabbing.
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Old 04-06-2016, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
OM has been running the airline for 7 months and about 4 months at less than full capacity.
Which every airline does from Nov-Feb because that is not the busy travel season. Running the airline at full capacity would not equate to more profit, just more expenses.

Or more "debt" as you like to call expenses.
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Old 04-06-2016, 08:46 AM
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Which every airline does from Nov-Feb because that is not the busy travel season. Running the airline at full capacity would not equate to more profit, just more expenses.

Or more "debt" as you like to call expenses.

Reread there slick - 'full capacity' was in reference to OM's physical capacity. Nothing to do with passenger capacity - maybe thinking before striking is in order.
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Old 04-06-2016, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
The unknown is the 'pig in the poke' not their contract - keep grabbing.
Ok.... whatever that means. Whether you want to believe it or not, more than a few people at Willis Tower were trying to do their jobs with handcuffs on due to Smisek's BS edicts. Him getting ******* canned had an immediate effect on the operation.

One example is the duty time extension pay getting fixed. Not paying for extensions came DIRECTLY from Smisek and absolutely destroyed the ULH completion factor last summer. When a widebody cancels it has a huge waterfall effect on the entire operation and it eventually has to be fixed with either more cancellations and/or overbookings. Add in extremely high load factors and the result is a giant suck. Both Attarian and Ellis said this was THE number one issue that needed attention and it got it as soon as Smisek was gone.

You can believe what you want but anyone who works in Wilis Tower will tell you two things:

1. The operation is by no means fixed completely and they understand parts of it still suck.

2. The company will go nowhere with ****ed off employees, and there has been a sea change in attitude since Smisek left.

Believe what you want but you aren't even close to reality, no matter how many time you say the same thing.
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Old 04-06-2016, 09:05 AM
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Ok.... whatever that means. Whether you want to believe it or not, more than a few people at Willis Tower were trying to do their jobs with handcuffs on due to Smisek's BS edicts. Him getting ******* canned had an immediate effect on the operation.

One example is the duty time extension pay getting fixed. Not paying for extensions came DIRECTLY from Smisek and absolutely destroyed the ULH completion factor last summer. When a widebody cancels it has a huge waterfall effect on the entire operation and it eventually has to be fixed with either more cancellations and/or overbookings. Add in extremely high load factors and the result is a giant suck. Both Attarian and Ellis said this was THE number one issue that needed attention and it got it as soon as Smisek was gone.

You can believe what you want but anyone who works in Wilis Tower will tell you two things:

1. The operation is by no means fixed completely and they understand parts of it still suck.

2. The company will go nowhere with ****ed off employees, and there has been a sea change in attitude since Smisek left.

Believe what you want but you aren't even close to reality, no matter how many time you say the same thing.
I guess what you're trying to say is the inside track at Willis Tower is now your new playground. I don't think we need to have your quotes from the 'brain trust' at Willis to tell the difference in employee moral is due more to the departure of JS than the arrival of OM. How many years did OM rubber stamp JS doings. The simple fact is that he was the loser or drew the short straw when the board had to find a quick replacement for JS.
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Old 04-06-2016, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
I guess what you're trying to say is the inside track at Willis Tower is now your new playground. I don't think we need to have your quotes from the 'brain trust' at Willis to tell the difference in employee moral is due more to the departure of JS than the arrival of OM. How many years did OM rubber stamp JS doings. The simple fact is that he was the loser or drew the short straw when the board had to find a quick replacement for JS.
Of course, you have zero facts to back up your argument. Do you actually know how the BOD voted? Just because you say there was a "rubber stamp" doesn't make it so. So far you have spouted 100% personal opinions and zero facts. Keep babbling, it's getting amusing.
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
Fact is - OM sat on the board rubber stamping everything JS did or wanted. He took over the airline as a means to protect himself and the board from some of the likely investigations around JS and the others caught in wrong doings.

OM has been running the airline for 7 months and about 4 months at less than full capacity. He just hasn't been on the job long enough to be the attributable factor in some of the things you regurgitated.
What is clear is that you have no idea how a public BOD functions nor do you know how intimately Munoz was involved in the pilots' and other negotiations.


Originally Posted by JoePatroni
Believe what you want but you aren't even close to reality, no matter how many time you say the same thing.
Exactly. This is the guy who thought Munoz faked his heart attack so it is obvious he doesn't have a clue, but that doesn't stop him from spewing his nonsense.
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