787 orders converted to 737, 777
03-09-2016, 06:36 AM
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Nothing wrong with that, but my point is it's not as simple as those "lazy/incompetent Guppy pilots" or "bad 737 systems" that have become staples of forum speak. The NG AC works great on the APU, but for a variety of reasons, ranging from lack of communication to being "clue minus" in the pointy end, sometimes the back end of the plane gets hot. Happens in all of the fleets.
03-09-2016, 06:41 AM
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This is so simple. Don't board the aircraft when the cabin is hot or without proper air conditioning. We have people running around shutting down apu's at the drop of a hat. How about we have people ensuring the cabins are properly cooled if the pilots aren't on board.
03-09-2016, 06:43 AM
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Nothing wrong with that, but my point is it's not as simple as those "lazy/incompetent Guppy pilots" or "bad 737 systems" that have become staples of forum speak. The NG AC works great on the APU, but for a variety of reasons, ranging from lack of communication to being "clue minus" in the pointy end, sometimes the back end of the plane gets hot. Happens in all of the fleets.
03-09-2016, 06:45 AM
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ST, handle your ship as you see fit. That's why we make "the big bucks." I've been known to flip the ground AC off myself, but sometimes I call and expect Ground Ops to actually do their job. It's not as simple as just turning on the ship's AC. There are a few more steps involved. I'd like to see us get to the point as a pilot group where we start giving other pilots the benefit of the doubt instead of just making broad brush statements.
03-09-2016, 07:04 AM
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That attitude is the reason we are the butt of all the Internet jokes about poor customer service.
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//Turn the air on!!
03-09-2016, 07:29 AM
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Actually, it is that easy. It happens all the time. And it may not be your job to physically turn off the ground A/C, but it is your job to maintain a safe atmosphere. Say an old lady passes out because it's "not your job" to turn off the 100 degree external air when the ramp won't do it. Who's going to have to talk to the lawyers? The person in charge of the aircraft. So in that sense, it is my job to go turn it off if the ramp doesn't do it.
That attitude is the reason we are the butt of all the Internet jokes about poor customer service.
/Cranky and hot commuter
//Turn the air on!!
That attitude is the reason we are the butt of all the Internet jokes about poor customer service.
/Cranky and hot commuter
//Turn the air on!!
03-09-2016, 08:31 AM
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ST, handle your ship as you see fit. That's why we make "the big bucks." I've been known to flip the ground AC off myself, but sometimes I call and expect Ground Ops to actually do their job. It's not as simple as just turning on the ship's AC. There are a few more steps involved. I'd like to see us get to the point as a pilot group where we start giving other pilots the benefit of the doubt instead of just making broad brush statements.
No broad strokes just specific incidences. If I'm sitting in the back and my head is throbbing from the heat, someone isn't doing their job.
I've never advocated running packs concurrently with external air.
03-09-2016, 08:34 AM
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As an amused outsider to this thread, let me say we went through this exact same evolution at Delta. Coming out of the BK, they hounded us with the "APU Sheriff" whose job was to track down errand pilots who violated the APU window in the quest of a cool cabin. It took many months, but we finally broke through with the thought process that customer comfort was part of customer satisfaction. It took a concerted effort to write up non operational ground air units and non compliant ground personnel to force the issue. Keep banging the drum. It'll eventually get heard.
Unfortunately, we still have some holdouts.
Unfortunately, we still have some holdouts.
03-09-2016, 09:03 AM
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Out here in the west, if we have a senior FA, they often know where the APU and pack switches are, and will tell you to turn on the AC, and know if you aren't telling the truth about it.
Ever have a stare down with a 40-year seniority FA? I've also seen them start the APU and turn on the packs...
It is possible to keep the guppy cool, but if you let it get warm and behind on the cooling, nearly impossible on the ground.
Ever have a stare down with a 40-year seniority FA? I've also seen them start the APU and turn on the packs...
It is possible to keep the guppy cool, but if you let it get warm and behind on the cooling, nearly impossible on the ground.
03-09-2016, 09:11 AM
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Out here in the west, if we have a senior FA, they often know where the APU and pack switches are, and will tell you to turn on the AC, and know if you aren't telling the truth about it.
Ever have a stare down with a 40-year seniority FA? I've also seen them start the APU and turn on the packs...
It is possible to keep the guppy cool, but if you let it get warm and behind on the cooling, nearly impossible on the ground.
Ever have a stare down with a 40-year seniority FA? I've also seen them start the APU and turn on the packs...
It is possible to keep the guppy cool, but if you let it get warm and behind on the cooling, nearly impossible on the ground.
If you're lying to another crew member about whether the aircraft air is on, that's a problem.
If a FA is staring you down to make you flip a switch in the cockpit, that's a problem.
If someone other than the pilots operating that flight flip a switch in the cockpit, that's a problem.
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