Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > United
March Pay Advice is loaded >

March Pay Advice is loaded

Search

Notices

March Pay Advice is loaded

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-26-2016, 08:09 AM
  #11  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Shrek's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,861
Default

Originally Posted by Grumble
Done.


Do I get a cool lanyard for my $50/month?
Why only 50 ?!
What fraction of ONE hour a month is that?
Shrek is offline  
Old 02-26-2016, 08:51 AM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
untied's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 521
Default

Originally Posted by Shrek
Why only 50 ?!
What fraction of ONE hour a month is that?
That's $600 per year.

Very nice.

We also pay over $40 million per year in dues.

Not complaining, just kind of wondering what ALPA is doing with the windfall of the last few years. You don't hear much about it.
untied is offline  
Old 02-26-2016, 11:23 AM
  #13  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,244
Default

Originally Posted by Shrek
Why only 50 ?!
What fraction of ONE hour a month is that?
How about you deride the 75% that give zero?

If they each gave a measly $50/month that would be close to $5.5m for the PAC per year, just from UAL.
Grumble is offline  
Old 02-26-2016, 11:45 AM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 194
Default

I certainly see the need to lobby with all that is going on with the foreign carriers and I give to the PAC myself however I did have one problem with the way it was shoved down our throats in Indoc. It basically came across as you all better give or we'll know who didn't and we'll talk to you about it. One person did not elect to give any money as their significant other already does and they were pulled aside and questioned as to why. That left a bad impression of intimidation for those who came from non union operators. It shouldn't have felt like that.
stis202 is offline  
Old 02-26-2016, 01:07 PM
  #15  
Gets Weekends Off
 
awax's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,808
Default

Originally Posted by stis202
I certainly see the need to lobby with all that is going on with the foreign carriers and I give to the PAC myself however I did have one problem with the way it was shoved down our throats in Indoc. It basically came across as you all better give or we'll know who didn't and we'll talk to you about it. One person did not elect to give any money as their significant other already does and they were pulled aside and questioned as to why. That left a bad impression of intimidation for those who came from non union operators. It shouldn't have felt like that.
Don't over think it. ALPA volunteers have one shot to visit with and lobby new hires and would love to get feedback and debrief if there's a problem. The new hire classes have been phenomenal during the last few years with most at 100% participation. That participation rate should be a point of pride with new hires and reps alike and speaks to the recognition that company pays pilots, ALPA fills in the amount.
awax is offline  
Old 02-28-2016, 06:43 AM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
untied's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 521
Default

Originally Posted by stis202
I One person did not elect to give any money as their significant other already does and they were pulled aside and questioned as to why. That left a bad impression of intimidation for those who came from non union operators. It shouldn't have felt like that.
Maybe we shouldn't hire from "non-union" operators.

We don't need any "army of 1" types. This job requires a strong union.

New hires here can hold 777 F/O after 2 years. At that point, they will be making about $180 per hour. That's how much heavy Captains were making a few years ago….with 25 years+!!!!

All this will change if we don't take care of the ME3.
untied is offline  
Old 02-28-2016, 10:37 AM
  #17  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Shrek's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,861
Default

Originally Posted by Grumble
How about you deride the 75% that give zero?

If they each gave a measly $50/month that would be close to $5.5m for the PAC per year, just from UAL.
Ok - point taken.

So to answer my question - how much of one hour at your longevity is 50 bucks ? Another 30 bucks gets you to Behnke level.
Shrek is offline  
Old 02-28-2016, 10:48 AM
  #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Shrek's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,861
Default

Originally Posted by stis202
I certainly see the need to lobby with all that is going on with the foreign carriers and I give to the PAC myself however I did have one problem with the way it was shoved down our throats in Indoc. It basically came across as you all better give or we'll know who didn't and we'll talk to you about it. One person did not elect to give any money as their significant other already does and they were pulled aside and questioned as to why. That left a bad impression of intimidation for those who came from non union operators. It shouldn't have felt like that.
You sound like the former Skywest guy that rode in the jumpseat a little while back to SFO. He was all PROUD about coming from a non-Union carrier. That raised my eyebrows a little but the accusation that the female ALPA PAC volunteer that talked to his class intimidated and coerced a 100% participation rate. That was a little hard to believe - which I told this half-winger.

He has MGT written all over him........
You'd think he would be happy being at the big show but the way he talked about his rj days ...... *** LoL
Shrek is offline  
Old 02-28-2016, 10:56 AM
  #19  
Gets Weekends Off
 
ugleeual's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 767/757 CA
Posts: 2,699
Default

Originally Posted by stis202
I certainly see the need to lobby with all that is going on with the foreign carriers and I give to the PAC myself however I did have one problem with the way it was shoved down our throats in Indoc. It basically came across as you all better give or we'll know who didn't and we'll talk to you about it. One person did not elect to give any money as their significant other already does and they were pulled aside and questioned as to why. That left a bad impression of intimidation for those who came from non union operators. It shouldn't have felt like that.
I was a mil leave return and sat through the presentation by ALPA towards the end of BI. I agree with your description... The membership chair (female with accent) was way over the top and pretty much scared new hires into joining... Not the right approach IMO. I bet many, if not all, cancel PAC auto contributions after the first year due to situations like BI presentations... Need either a new chair or new approach rather than arm twisting.
ugleeual is offline  
Old 02-28-2016, 12:05 PM
  #20  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 194
Default

Originally Posted by ugleeual
I was a mil leave return and sat through the presentation by ALPA towards the end of BI. I agree with your description... The membership chair (female with accent) was way over the top and pretty much scared new hires into joining... Not the right approach IMO. I bet many, if not all, cancel PAC auto contributions after the first year due to situations like BI presentations... Need either a new chair or new approach rather than arm twisting.

Exactly this. It's not about non union guys coming here (Mil, SKW, Non airline). Like I said I'm all about the PAC. The one who didn't pay came from an APLA carrier. It was more so the presentation. It could be given a bit more gracefully not causing the class to walk out on break saying "*** was that?"
stis202 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Crawl
CommuteAir
5406
03-21-2020 06:45 AM
A321
American
89
01-28-2015 06:55 PM
P-3Bubba
Major
174
04-23-2014 06:14 AM
yoter83
United
15
03-31-2014 06:43 PM
gzsg
Major
132
12-07-2013 08:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices