Originally Posted by baseball

No, It was just how DL McCoy conditioned her minions. CAL lagged behind because ALPA was decertified and it took CAL pilots a long time to get from Ops group to IACP to ALPA again.

Originally Posted by Lambourne

What's left to debate? The vote is done. The majority have spoken. The sour grape group will just drive themselves farther into an early heart attack for enduring another wrong.

Originally Posted by AllenAllert

Yes and the 79% will be our new victim class.

I think sled invited everybody over for a 3 ring pool party. He's coming out with his bromance for Heppner and wanted to celebrate.

Point to remember, JH helped bring us LOA 25 and later used the same pilots to get this TA passed. (ask him again how LOA 25 came about - he won't bash JP because they dealt it together) I don't think we can be proud of that. Plus, he did deals with management akin PW, JP and BS. This TA was decided before you voted - you just don't want to acknowledged it.

The United pilots have voted, now let's see how long it takes to regret their choice. The 9% tried to help you, let's see how well you do next contract. Sad lot!

Originally Posted by jetlink

9% of you believe in something that doesn't exist - perfection
The rest of us believe in balance.
You are trying to pull a "religious persuasion" here, believe and you'll go to heaven; blow yourself up in the name of allah, take infidels with you, and you shall receive 70 virgins.
If I can pull rabbit out of my @$$, some of you will believe it's magic, the rest will know it's an illusion.

Originally Posted by jetlink

Well, if people don't feel being abused, perhaps they are not; or it's not an abuse.
If some are too ignorant to familiarize themselves with the contract to better their lives, let them take an abuse; you can not make people happy by force; it's communism... otherwise it's free will, my friend.

To the 12% of NO voters (obviously some of the 9% didn't give a $h1t), it's obvious that you are in minority, and this vote showed how disengaged you guys are from the rest of the pilots here. However, you are the most vocal, and you remind me those fat and imbecilic bullies in high school; always trying to make others to do what they wanted, because they couldn't do it themselves; I think this will change soon, as people see more incentives of doing business different way then traditional (you know whose) way.

It's obvious that two groups here had different approach to flying business, but we see more and more that pilots from the west side, see more incentives to do business a new way. You can call for anything you want to improve the contract, but for most people, everything revolves around $, no matter how you spin it; it's all about $ , no some distance promise in "change we all can believe in", "make united great again", or "trust-Un-i_TED".
Company knows that $ incentives will make most pilots go extra mile, show up when staffing is low, and fly the segment when needed. Pilots like it, because they feel it in their packet, not some promise of better contact with restriction, so we can hire more and sit idle at home; no business can operate like that in the long run, eventually contracts like that disappear, and competitors with more flexible contracts have upper hand.
This vote shows that pilots are tired of waiting for ALPA Messiah or Prophet coming here and fixing it all in the next Sec 6 negotiation with "evil" corporate, pilots have spoken in a loud voice - hellelujah
Enjoy your new pay rise; however, those 12% NO voters should stay on the original pay scale to make a profound statement of their dissatisfaction with voting outcome.

Originally Posted by Hilltopper89

I find it interesting that if you read the other forum you'd think nobody voted for this thing.

Originally Posted by jetlink

...you remind me those fat and imbecilic bullies in high school

we see more and more that pilots from the west side, see more incentives to do business a new way.

it's all about $

Pilots like it, because they feel it in their packet

however, those 12% NO voters should stay on the original pay scale

You are trying to pull a "religious persuasion" here, believe and you'll go to heaven; blow yourself up in the name of allah, take infidels with you, and you shall receive 70 virgins.

Originally Posted by AllenAllert

Not likely to see a breakdown. JH knew the breakdown of the pilots beforehand, I'm guessing. LCAL guys voted like always for the cash, LOA guys would vote to end their plight, as well as others seeing LOA 25 as just wrong and then the many retiring pilots. Wasn't hard for JH to predict the results and a reason he fashioned it with short negotiations to secure the results.