JoePatroni

It was at the latest CA upgrade class, there were thirty plus people in the room for every briefing. If you are calling me a liar you can go **** yourself.

Hilltopper89

I think you're wrong and misguided. Guys don't get to be CEOs of multi-billion $ companies to give up when they have a medical problem. They get fired when they don't perpetuate a leadership philosophy. You're likely correct: he's completely disengaged from United. Give me a break. Then again, you've already convinced yourself that you're right about everything. I've gathered that in your posts here. Hate to rain on your parade.

Hilltopper89

God, you have a complex about being right. Hello, Oliver Stone. You need a reference for everything that you disagree with but state as gospel anything you don't. I find it much more likely that Oscar had meetings with his staff while ill much more plausible than that he gave up completely and let United sail freely without a captain. Goodbye, credibility of AllenAlert. Just a loud voice with no following. Has to be right at any expense even when he states things that make no sense whatsoever. Your arguments and inane statements make you more unlistenable by the hour.

AxlF16

Funny. I see you on there a lot.

whalesurfer

Outsider looking in - congrats on the contract extension (I think?). I have no dog in this fight, just trying to understand the lingo and why your contract extension passed by such a large margin?

What was the LOA 25 all about? Several people said they voted yes to "put an end to LOA 25"?? In plain language, what is it and how does this extension "kill it?"
Besides your pay raises - will you get any work rules improvements? How about health care, retirement, schedules?
This thread is part of the UAL/CAL merger sub-forum - is the contract extension related to or a result of the merger?

Here at big brown we've been negotiating since 2012 :-( so I definitely understand people getting excited over "finally getting it done" but what was so great about the extension that some of us might not be seeing?

Note, I'm not criticizing nor praising your contract extension, just trying to understand it..
Apologize my ignorance as I haven't followed ual (or other pax carriers) news for quite some time - so why the huge numbers of yes voters? Is it really a great contract extension?

Appreciate your inputs and I'll butt-out of your discussion..

cadetdrivr

This TA is an extension of the joint post-merger United Pilot Agreement (UPA) with a few minor changes and one big one involving noticeable pay raises.

There are no significant changes to work rules, vacation, sick time, retirement, schedules, etc., other than a revision to the process and compensation for dealing with pay due to voluntary extensions of duty days. IMHO, the pay raises are the driving factor in the approval.

In the main body of the UPA full pay longevity was provided to all pilots who were previously furloughed. LOA 25 is a side letter included in the UPA that, among other things, effectively removed the pay longevity provision for certain previously furloughed LUAL pilots only. This was a result of some shenanigans and compromises that were made while the UPA was being negoiated prior to the seniority list integration process which followed.

Meanwhile, previously furloughed LUAL pilots had full longevity credit for vacation allocation calculations but previously furloughed LCAL pilots did not as a result of past practices at both pre-merger airlines.

The TA attempts to repair both issues and grants pay longevity to the former LUAL pilots and vacation calculations to the former LCAL pilots. Included in the TA is retro pay to compensate pilots who were affected by either issue during the time the UPA has been in effect.

baseball

Agreed on all points. This is the third TA I have seen where it was written for the 737 fleet. I would also include the Airbus into that conversation. I haven't flown the 737 since 2001, but I am glad to stay away from it and plan on doing so for remainder of my career.

baseball

I would say that 28 years of 121 flying is decent experience. And would give someone the perspective necessary to appreciate ( or critique) the current state of the industry. 22 years at CAL, hired after strike.

baseball

He just graduated from Riddle.

baseball

Are there any other LOA's that we need to spend negotiating capital on? I think LOA 25 should be the last of the divisive issues. While ALPA spent considerable capital to "fix" it, it should help us turn the page as a pilot group and move forward.