A320fumes

Not sure. I'm sure whatever discussions happened were in closed session, so we weren't free to cross-talk about it; I know that my friends on the lUal MEC were noticeably stricken and upset about LOA 25. I get the feeling that they might have found out a few hours before I did, or that they had been unsuccessfully trying to thwart it until the last minute.


-Ben

UalHvy

I think that we are all missing the bigger question here. Why do we let an organization that we are members of and pay dues to, elect a person to our highest position without a vote from the membership?

Hell...sometimes we don't even know they are in the running until it's announced (Wendy Milktoast).

svergin

You mean like "Speaker of the House"?

APC225

Like a U.S. President. LECs are our electoral college.

SpecialTracking

A fact lost on many.

SpecialTracking

Who presented it?

gettinbumped

I already answered that question. My information is straight from Heppner as to why the TA and why now. He spoke at the C34 meeting. But what does he know. He was only the one having the conversations. Your next move is to say that he's lying for his political agenda.

To AxlF16 and James,
See? I told you. It's not TIC. He only figured out that Oscar didn't fake his heart attack when he got a transplant. Total moonbeam.

A320fumes

We were given , what we thought, was the full contract 3 weeks prior to study. When we walked in for the vote that morning , the lump sum distribution LOA and LOA 25 had been placed at our seat locations. First that we'd seen it.

Ben

AllenAllert

Believe it or not slick, I'm pleased that it wasn't a gambit. Not that he actually had a heart attack but he actually had a real medical condition that required the cancelation the Huge Labor Summit. I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling that Jeff's boys are now running the show.

What post was it that you answered the question of why and why now the TA? Why was it that JH made you part of his brain trust?Was it his feeling that he could blow smoke your way and you'd start to float. From your past post it's clear that your only real concern is getting the TA past for a 13% raise and damn the consequences.

Political, yes! JH is going to get his walking out the door because he feels he earned it.

p.s. Before you get wrapped up in the "slick" reference, it's a good Southern term for someone of questionable motives.

gettinbumped

Where you lost any and all credibility is the fact that you actually doubted the man had a heart attack up until he had an actual transplant. That's just weird, man. That is Kennedy style conspiracy theory stuff. For a Fortune 500 public company to have their CEO "fake a heart attack" for.... I still can't figure out what reason you would think they would have to do that.... would be so completely demented that it can't possibly be taken seriously; which is why you have people saying that you MUST have meant it TIC.

As far as being in Heppner's "inner circle", if you mean being a C34 member, I guess you are right. He came to the meeting and spoke about the genesis of the TA and more to your cynical side his relationship with Oscar. I believe the quote was "I've met with Oscar more times in the month that he was the CEO than I did the with Jeff during his entire tenure". But even that won't make any difference to you. You'll just say that Jay is acting out of nothing but sinister selfish political motive so NOW it's a conspiracy to fake the pilots into a crappy deal so that he can.... again, I'm not sure what his big agenda could possibly be, but I'm sure you have your theories. Probably wanting to be a Virgin Galactic pilot or something.

Thankfully, the vote is over in a couple of days. I'm sick of talking about it, hearing about it, and debating about it. What will be will be. When all is said and done, I will accept the will of the pilot group. If it gets voted down, you won't see me on here whining about how stupid the United Pilot group is and it's a shame that we can't think for ourselves and made a horrible decision. We will see what your reaction is if it passes. Just remember, all the "company shill", "slick" comments and suggestions that I'm trying to bully people into voting for a deal won't produce any big VOTE YES posters in my threads. But if you'd like I can go back and come show you your VOTE NO posts. All the insults and anger and conspiracy theories in the world aren't going to change who you are. I feel sorry for you having to live in a world where you think the absolute worst in every situation. I have argued for a yes vote simply because, like our MC, our NC, and the vast majority of our voting and nonvoting MEC, I feel that this is an agreement worth accepting at the present time, all things considered. I don't expect everyone to have the same view, and I respect those that are voting no provided they have availed themselves of all the information needed to make a decision. I have no love for the United management I've encountered in my 20+ years here, but I give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove they don't deserve it. Wolf, Tilton, Jeff. I detest them all for good reason. We will see about Oscar in time. But at the very least, I've been consistent in wishing him good health, a speedy recovery, and time with his family. You certainly can't say the same. Good luck