LUAL merger committee member for Master Chair
01-18-2016, 06:45 PM
#31
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what else has the guy done besides merger committee?
merger experience is not that big a deal. it's a temporary committee stood up when the balloon gets inflated. it's a unique committee with a special skill-set.
on the other hand.....our union's daily job, day in and day out is to enforce the contract. If you want unity, we can all get unified about spending our negotiating capital in a thrifty manner and that means quick, and strident enforcement of our contract. Todd Insler has been doing great work.in that regard.
if you believe that good Captains come from being good First Officers, then you should also have faith in that good contract negotiators come from being good contract enforcers. The Master Chair is a defacto member of the NC and therefore i really believe that insler has the right make-up and background for the job. His body of work for our pilots is unequaled.
A merger committee member is i am sure well deserving of our respect for his service, but that alone doesn't do it for me. Past Merger Committee members should be "a political" and simply not "run" anyone for master chair. i think that is not respectful. Logic dictates that the former NC members will be politicing their respective reps and trying to sell or barter favors on behalf of their candidate. I don't like this part of the process. It's so much more than making sausage. Combination of horse trading and selling a used car. Get ready for the letters of recommendation and endorsements to follow.
merger experience is not that big a deal. it's a temporary committee stood up when the balloon gets inflated. it's a unique committee with a special skill-set.
on the other hand.....our union's daily job, day in and day out is to enforce the contract. If you want unity, we can all get unified about spending our negotiating capital in a thrifty manner and that means quick, and strident enforcement of our contract. Todd Insler has been doing great work.in that regard.
if you believe that good Captains come from being good First Officers, then you should also have faith in that good contract negotiators come from being good contract enforcers. The Master Chair is a defacto member of the NC and therefore i really believe that insler has the right make-up and background for the job. His body of work for our pilots is unequaled.
A merger committee member is i am sure well deserving of our respect for his service, but that alone doesn't do it for me. Past Merger Committee members should be "a political" and simply not "run" anyone for master chair. i think that is not respectful. Logic dictates that the former NC members will be politicing their respective reps and trying to sell or barter favors on behalf of their candidate. I don't like this part of the process. It's so much more than making sausage. Combination of horse trading and selling a used car. Get ready for the letters of recommendation and endorsements to follow.
01-18-2016, 06:53 PM
#32
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A cabal including John Prater, Jay Heppner, Chris Lynch, Mark Adams and other ALPA lifers are running Steve Gillen for Master Chairman. Are LCAL pilots aware that Gillen was a member of the LUAL Merger Committee? Would having a merger guy as Master Chairman be the right move in unifying the United pilot group and our union? The election is eight days from now.
What's next Bruce Stone and Bob Shoemaker? Nah. Bob's dead. So that won't fly.
All you had to to was mention Prater/Lynch and say no more. I would run for the hills if these two were either in charge of something or trying to play "king maker"....AGAIN.
Wasn't long ago that Lynch ran the campaign for Prater. We got an RJ explosion and a total sell out age 65 legislation courtesy of Fred Abbot, Fred Stankovich and Bobby Sturgel via their relationship with Prater.
01-19-2016, 04:32 AM
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what else has the guy done besides merger committee?
merger experience is not that big a deal. it's a temporary committee stood up when the balloon gets inflated. it's a unique committee with a special skill-set.
on the other hand.....our union's daily job, day in and day out is to enforce the contract. If you want unity, we can all get unified about spending our negotiating capital in a thrifty manner and that means quick, and strident enforcement of our contract. Todd Insler has been doing great work.in that regard.
if you believe that good Captains come from being good First Officers, then you should also have faith in that good contract negotiators come from being good contract enforcers. The Master Chair is a defacto member of the NC and therefore i really believe that insler has the right make-up and background for the job. His body of work for our pilots is unequaled.
A merger committee member is i am sure well deserving of our respect for his service, but that alone doesn't do it for me. Past Merger Committee members should be "a political" and simply not "run" anyone for master chair. i think that is not respectful. Logic dictates that the former NC members will be politicing their respective reps and trying to sell or barter favors on behalf of their candidate. I don't like this part of the process. It's so much more than making sausage. Combination of horse trading and selling a used car. Get ready for the letters of recommendation and endorsements to follow.
merger experience is not that big a deal. it's a temporary committee stood up when the balloon gets inflated. it's a unique committee with a special skill-set.
on the other hand.....our union's daily job, day in and day out is to enforce the contract. If you want unity, we can all get unified about spending our negotiating capital in a thrifty manner and that means quick, and strident enforcement of our contract. Todd Insler has been doing great work.in that regard.
if you believe that good Captains come from being good First Officers, then you should also have faith in that good contract negotiators come from being good contract enforcers. The Master Chair is a defacto member of the NC and therefore i really believe that insler has the right make-up and background for the job. His body of work for our pilots is unequaled.
A merger committee member is i am sure well deserving of our respect for his service, but that alone doesn't do it for me. Past Merger Committee members should be "a political" and simply not "run" anyone for master chair. i think that is not respectful. Logic dictates that the former NC members will be politicing their respective reps and trying to sell or barter favors on behalf of their candidate. I don't like this part of the process. It's so much more than making sausage. Combination of horse trading and selling a used car. Get ready for the letters of recommendation and endorsements to follow.
I'm sure there are other things he has done on the local, MEC and National levels that I left out. So he has a deep resume for sure. Good and bad, but he has a record and service that can be debated. He is not some dark horse/out of the blue unknown candidate.
I've flown with him, worked with him within ALPA, and spoken with him numerous times over the years at Council functions. He is smart and a very nice guy, but has some sizeable baggage from the BK days. Not to mention the list of names purportedly supporting him. That being said, I'm for Todd Insler to be the next MC.
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01-19-2016, 05:40 AM
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If Mr. Insler is elected, and he starts "fixing all of the unfinished business" of the UPA as he has promised....outside of Sect. 6.....will that be ok? Is it not our duty as professionals to fix all things only in Sect. 6? If a side letter is reached on his watch, will you NO voters vote NO out of principle, again? Or will you be independent contractors? Just curious.
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01-19-2016, 05:44 AM
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Wait.... So now you're saying that the TA is a Hart program?? The letter McKeen to Jay asking for the TA was on October 2nd. So Hart, who at the time was merely lead council, predicted Oscar's heart attack on October 15th (which you say was faked), and floated this TA to show his worth to the BOD because he KNEW that he would be up for interim CEO consideration in two weeks.
Or wait.... it's Jeff's plan? Mr. Generosity was going to offer up industry leading pay to the pilot group a year EARLY?
Hold on, NOW I see. It was HEPPNER's plan to talk the company into offering an early deal so he could bamboozle the pilots into voting in a substandard agreement just to cement his legacy before walking out the door.
The only one it COULDN'T be is Oscar's plan (despite Jay Heppner directly contradicting you). Because he has no interest in improving employee relations. I'm not exactly sure where the mechanics TA, the LCAL profit sharing, or the agreement to stop outsourcing jobs of the IAM that they had actually agreed to came from. Hart? Heppner? Jeff?
Got it. That makes total sense.
Or wait.... it's Jeff's plan? Mr. Generosity was going to offer up industry leading pay to the pilot group a year EARLY?
Hold on, NOW I see. It was HEPPNER's plan to talk the company into offering an early deal so he could bamboozle the pilots into voting in a substandard agreement just to cement his legacy before walking out the door.
The only one it COULDN'T be is Oscar's plan (despite Jay Heppner directly contradicting you). Because he has no interest in improving employee relations. I'm not exactly sure where the mechanics TA, the LCAL profit sharing, or the agreement to stop outsourcing jobs of the IAM that they had actually agreed to came from. Hart? Heppner? Jeff?
Got it. That makes total sense.
01-19-2016, 05:47 AM
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It would all be speculation, but I would suspect they feel $1.3bil was a decent price to pay for mou22 relief and streamlining the FRMS process. Also, Oscar has doubled-down on reliability for the Summer flying and is gambling on "labor peace", whatever that means.
Besides that, my answer would probably take around 3 pages to fully clarify. The policy manual is pretty clear on how Reps are to voice "pro/con" sentiment. I'd prefer to adhere to that policy until voting closes. I'd be happy to give you my take post voting.
Be informed, call your Reps and make the best decision that you can.
Frats,
Ben
Besides that, my answer would probably take around 3 pages to fully clarify. The policy manual is pretty clear on how Reps are to voice "pro/con" sentiment. I'd prefer to adhere to that policy until voting closes. I'd be happy to give you my take post voting.
Be informed, call your Reps and make the best decision that you can.
Frats,
Ben
I have a question that you may know the answer to... I asked Jay H and he deferred answering.
Whose idea was LOA 25? Who insisted it be included in C2012? What was it intended to accomplish?
Thanks in advance.
01-19-2016, 06:07 AM
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Keep in mind that IAH & LAX (No votes) weren't considered "insiders" on the CALMEC. We spent 3 weeks in PHX with no mention of LOA 25. On the morning of, and minutes before, the vote, LOA 25 was presented. I consulted the LAX Reps , then we consulted our LUal confidants about how bad it was. It appears that IAH and LAX (lCal) were the only ones not informed until the last minute. Since it passed, without our support, there has been nothing but finger-pointing as to how it transpired. LOA 25 was never discussed with the CALMEC in full session. My guess is that some compromise was reached the night prior to the vote, with some degree of responsibility to be shared. I also would find it hard to believe that this was a LUal idea, as it was intended to influence the SLI process, unless something more sinister was afoot.
Keep in mind that the MEC would not be joined for another year, so LOA's genesis has never been discussed or investigated by the joint MEC. Only it's eradication has been discussed by the joint MEC, with all in favor of such.
Frats,
Ben
01-19-2016, 06:44 AM
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Ben,
I don't think we will ever find out those truly responsible for LOA 25. We might have a good idea but their reputation would be tarnished over multiple careers. Were the sUAL reps blindsided or did they know it was coming?
ST
I don't think we will ever find out those truly responsible for LOA 25. We might have a good idea but their reputation would be tarnished over multiple careers. Were the sUAL reps blindsided or did they know it was coming?
ST
01-19-2016, 06:49 AM
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I standby my post and defend my claim concerning the Genesis of TA. You, probe and sled have done nothing but tout the $$ $$ without questioning the motives and long term effect of the TA. You've even started to use the pilots affected by LOA 25 as a reason for voting for the TA. You should be asking why wasn't LOA 25 settled before we even started talking about the TA. Did JH need a kicker to ensure a positive vote - shame on him for using those pilots as pawns once again.
I asked you and even Ben Salley why the TA and why now. Ben has a political reason for not answering and I understand. You - you can't see past the money and probably care less why.
You and others have bought into the supreme savior OM and to be honest, I don't think he will return to United in a meaningful way and may want to send more time with the family - money isn't everything. This will leave a void to be filled by someone and guess what - the company, at all levels, is full of JEff's boys and this TA came from one of them. OM didn't have time to get up to speed before his respite and I'll bet my 13% that this is not his plan and is more likely one of Jeff's boys trying to win his bones.
No, I don't believe in coincidence and always look for the cause and effect - something you, looking past the money, need to do.
I asked you and even Ben Salley why the TA and why now. Ben has a political reason for not answering and I understand. You - you can't see past the money and probably care less why.
You and others have bought into the supreme savior OM and to be honest, I don't think he will return to United in a meaningful way and may want to send more time with the family - money isn't everything. This will leave a void to be filled by someone and guess what - the company, at all levels, is full of JEff's boys and this TA came from one of them. OM didn't have time to get up to speed before his respite and I'll bet my 13% that this is not his plan and is more likely one of Jeff's boys trying to win his bones.
No, I don't believe in coincidence and always look for the cause and effect - something you, looking past the money, need to do.
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