Flytolive

Yes. It is called leadership and contract enforcement, something that has been sorely lacking outside of the grievance process and some great committee work since the UPA was signed.

AllenAllert

You say that but this is what you started the thread with:

Going with the political wind is safe - right!

XHooker

Flytolive (sorry, can't quote for some reason), you're the one who brought in the loaded phrases like "cabal" and "ALPA lifers", then drop the "hey Ex-Cons, did you know..." and play "guilt by association." John Prater walked the walk in a way few remaining have ever been asked or likely ever will be again. I get that he was controversial as ALPA President, but personally, I think he was in a tough situation. As to Gillen vs. Insler, I'm not qualified to even make a recommendation to my reps as to who I think is the better candidate. Insler seems to be the internet choice, but I don't think that's important.

Flytolive

That is the group or 'cabal' that is supporting the Gillen candidacy. You can tell a lot by the company you keep. Are you opposed to such transparency or do you doubt this is the case?

AllenAllert

I don't think your initial post was about transparency at all. I have a feeling you were complaining that a LCAL was not slotted for the top slot by your cabal. Several have already pointed out it's not a legacy fight.

svergin

Who would you want from our old MEC to be running the show? Not that I'm thrilled with these guys, but you have to admit they get things done. Good contracts, good merger terms, win grievances, communicate regularly and professionally.

AllenAllert

I think you probably know I do not support TA. Not so much for the content but more for the way it came about. There is no doubt the TA is not a OM plan and is more likely a Hart program to show his worth to the BOD. The plan was probably something Jeff devised some time ago to delay contract negotiations but I'd bet the rates were lower and Hart adopted and sold it to Heppner. I think Heppner knows well the impact the TA will have on future sec 6 talks and is willing to accept it as a get for the pilots and a healthy boost in his resume going out the door. Let's see where he ends up. It's all politics but more about personal gains.

Baron50

Ask Gillen his positions on; giving away the RJ, electing Dubo MEC Chair, accepting bankruptcy concession (without going to court), voluntary termination of the "A" plan, distribution of the bond money that cost ALPA a 42 million settlement.

If you liked Whiteford you will like Gillen.

oldmako

Precisely. I had the opportunity to fly with him (back when he flew) around the time of the bankruptcy. I found him to be very personable and a nice guy. But, every time ALPA issues came up, I was left a little slack jawed. No thanks. I already gave at the office.

Todd Insler.

gettinbumped

Wait.... So now you're saying that the TA is a Hart program?? The letter McKeen to Jay asking for the TA was on October 2nd. So Hart, who at the time was merely lead council, predicted Oscar's heart attack on October 15th (which you say was faked), and floated this TA to show his worth to the BOD because he KNEW that he would be up for interim CEO consideration in two weeks.

Or wait.... it's Jeff's plan? Mr. Generosity was going to offer up industry leading pay to the pilot group a year EARLY?

Hold on, NOW I see. It was HEPPNER's plan to talk the company into offering an early deal so he could bamboozle the pilots into voting in a substandard agreement just to cement his legacy before walking out the door.

The only one it COULDN'T be is Oscar's plan (despite Jay Heppner directly contradicting you). Because he has no interest in improving employee relations. I'm not exactly sure where the mechanics TA, the LCAL profit sharing, or the agreement to stop outsourcing jobs of the IAM that they had actually agreed to came from. Hart? Heppner? Jeff?

Got it. That makes total sense.