Self funding TA?
12-31-2015, 06:28 PM
#82
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Over the last three years the Delta pilots have made 4.6%, 4.9% & 14.4% more in profit sharing alone than United pilots. They have made 3% more pay than United pilots over the last two years. Their reserve guarantee is two hours more for up to two less days of work/month. They get up to 270 hours of sick leave/year compared to our 60 hours. That's over 2 months potential pay. DAL has a short term disability plan we have none. Delta pilots pay nothing for LTD although their benefits are taxed.
United pilots get 1% more B/C plan and better vacation accrual.
United pilots get 1% more B/C plan and better vacation accrual.
12-31-2015, 07:50 PM
#83
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Over the last three years the Delta pilots have made 4.6%, 4.9% & 14.4% more in profit sharing alone than United pilots. They have made 3% more pay than United pilots over the last two years. Their reserve guarantee is two hours more for up to two less days of work/month. They get up to 270 hours of sick leave/year compared to our 60 hours. That's over 2 months potential pay. DAL has a short term disability plan we have none. Delta pilots pay nothing for LTD although their benefits are taxed.
United pilots get 1% more B/C plan and better vacation accrual.
United pilots get 1% more B/C plan and better vacation accrual.
Guess we started working for the wrong airline...
12-31-2015, 08:50 PM
#84
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What's amazing is how you keep missing my point.
So I'll post it again
"My point to Scott and all the others who keep bringing up section 6 is quite clear, the ALPA process is working the way it should. If you don't like the outcome then volunteer and if you won't do that, vote your conscience on the TA and enjoy life a bit.
It is what it is and it works quite well over the long run. Now stop eating your own."
I'll write one more thing; if you don't like the outcome then do something more than being so snippy on a blog or two. But of course that would ruin the entertainment factor of reading these blogs.
It's a new year and flying is a living.
What's amazing is how you keep missing my point.
So I'll post it again
"My point to Scott and all the others who keep bringing up section 6 is quite clear, the ALPA process is working the way it should. If you don't like the outcome then volunteer and if you won't do that, vote your conscience on the TA and enjoy life a bit.
It is what it is and it works quite well over the long run. Now stop eating your own."
I'll write one more thing; if you don't like the outcome then do something more than being so snippy on a blog or two. But of course that would ruin the entertainment factor of reading these blogs.
It's a new year and flying is a living.
01-01-2016, 05:22 AM
#85
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Amazing isn't it? How many times has the company offered such an extension in your 37+ years? By offering the IAM Section 6 over a year early it is obvious that has been available to the pilots as well. It begs the question, why didn't we opt for Section 6?
01-01-2016, 05:33 AM
#86
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My understanding of the process that we entered into is that full Section 6 was never in play, unless we fail to ratify this TA. If we vote to reject this TA then full Section could possibly begin sometime in May. If we vote to reject this TA, I believe that either party "could" proffer for early Section 6. But either party could reject the proffer.
Full Section 6 would be lengthy in my opinion. I admire how organized the DALMEC and NC are with their package that they began their rejuvenated Section 6. I also think that it was a tactical error because this is still a negotiation and most of their pilots (that I know) view this package as a minimum that they'll vote to ratify. For example, their proposed pay rates 22%, 7%, and 7%. I think that when it's all said and done those increases will possibly be around the 15-17% and the following steps will see a similar adjustment. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if they shot for the moon, the horizon will be lower.
Another fun fact is that most financial indexes were level for the year of 2015. No growth, in fact a slight decline in the DOW and S&P. Just sayin!!!
Full Section 6 would be lengthy in my opinion. I admire how organized the DALMEC and NC are with their package that they began their rejuvenated Section 6. I also think that it was a tactical error because this is still a negotiation and most of their pilots (that I know) view this package as a minimum that they'll vote to ratify. For example, their proposed pay rates 22%, 7%, and 7%. I think that when it's all said and done those increases will possibly be around the 15-17% and the following steps will see a similar adjustment. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if they shot for the moon, the horizon will be lower.
Another fun fact is that most financial indexes were level for the year of 2015. No growth, in fact a slight decline in the DOW and S&P. Just sayin!!!
01-01-2016, 05:35 AM
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Maybe the NC did proffer for a Section 6 and the Company rejected it. As is their option to do.
01-01-2016, 05:45 AM
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01-01-2016, 06:51 AM
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What's amazing is how you keep missing my point.
So I'll post it again
"My point to Scott and all the others who keep bringing up section 6 is quite clear, the ALPA process is working the way it should. If you don't like the outcome then volunteer and if you won't do that, vote your conscience on the TA and enjoy life a bit.
It is what it is and it works quite well over the long run. Now stop eating your own."
I'll write one more thing; if you don't like the outcome then do something more than being so snippy on a blog or two. But of course that would ruin the entertainment factor of reading these blogs.
It's a new year and flying is a living.
What's amazing is how you keep missing my point.
So I'll post it again
"My point to Scott and all the others who keep bringing up section 6 is quite clear, the ALPA process is working the way it should. If you don't like the outcome then volunteer and if you won't do that, vote your conscience on the TA and enjoy life a bit.
It is what it is and it works quite well over the long run. Now stop eating your own."
I'll write one more thing; if you don't like the outcome then do something more than being so snippy on a blog or two. But of course that would ruin the entertainment factor of reading these blogs.
It's a new year and flying is a living.
Last edited by AllenAllert; 01-01-2016 at 07:06 AM.
01-01-2016, 09:31 AM
#90
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There's nothing in this TA.....Nothing but 13%......SEC 6 will produce better than nothing I gurantee that, and I will benifits more from QOL improvements and work rules than I ever will with money now.
I don't think there is a good enough reason to go into talks With 5 items and Come out with 2 1/2, MOU 22 replacement is only for widebody pilots so it counts as a half since it left out half the airline. MOU22 could be reinstated if the company agreed to play ball, no need to negotiate that. FRMS could have/can be done as an LOA. So if you really look at it there is NOTHING in this TA just a 2 year cash buyout.
NO NO NO
I don't think there is a good enough reason to go into talks With 5 items and Come out with 2 1/2, MOU 22 replacement is only for widebody pilots so it counts as a half since it left out half the airline. MOU22 could be reinstated if the company agreed to play ball, no need to negotiate that. FRMS could have/can be done as an LOA. So if you really look at it there is NOTHING in this TA just a 2 year cash buyout.
NO NO NO
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