Self funding TA?
12-31-2015, 05:00 PM
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Scott:
We've both been at UAL for some time and seen our share of the inner workings of the MEC and its chair, so please spare us the Heppner's a bad guy routine. Again all it is more hyperbole and discussion ender.
You did write this, which might need to be addressed: "How about a full Section 6 in the best negotiating environment ever? No. Of course not."
The answer is Full section 6 is not nor ever has been on the table with this whole TA process.
We've both been at UAL for some time and seen our share of the inner workings of the MEC and its chair, so please spare us the Heppner's a bad guy routine. Again all it is more hyperbole and discussion ender.
You did write this, which might need to be addressed: "How about a full Section 6 in the best negotiating environment ever? No. Of course not."
The answer is Full section 6 is not nor ever has been on the table with this whole TA process.
12-31-2015, 05:22 PM
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Scott:
Bull?
Please inform us when section 6 was on the table early? Never has been in my 37+ years.
Personally I thinks you have a lot of built up anger about something. It's a new year tomorrow and I'm going to make the best of it, in spite of the contract.
Bull?
Please inform us when section 6 was on the table early? Never has been in my 37+ years.
Personally I thinks you have a lot of built up anger about something. It's a new year tomorrow and I'm going to make the best of it, in spite of the contract.
12-31-2015, 05:38 PM
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We are discussing what the rates should be. You even surmised the TA rate was high relative to your erroneous estimates of how many seats were on it, the 700 and 319. Yes our 'personal beliefs' on pay rates are irrelevant, but yours were based on misinformation.
12-31-2015, 05:41 PM
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Section 6 is in play. Just not in the next 30 days. Their choice. They seem to be able to say yes when they need something. We just say no because? 13%? We are voluntarily taking it out of play with this TA. Why not aim higher? Are you happy with Ltd? Vacation? SL? Reserve? Trip trading? Pbs? I am not.
12-31-2015, 05:42 PM
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United and IAM Agree to Open Contract Negotiations Early, Further Expand Job Protection for Employees
November 06, 2015
CHICAGO, Nov. 6, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines and the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) today agreed to commence contract negotiations more than one year ahead of the scheduled amendable date of their agreements. These negotiations, which cover nearly 30,000 United employees, are expected to proceed on an early and expedited basis.
"Working together with the IAM, United is moving forward to deliver industry-leading contracts for our IAM-represented employees well ahead of the normal bargaining schedule," said Mike Bonds, United's executive vice president of Human Resources and Labor Relations. "This is one of several positive steps we've taken recently to demonstrate our firm commitment to our people."
As part of this agreement, United has extended through Jan. 15, 2019, its commitment not to contract out work currently performed by the IAM-represented group at all hub and station airport locations.
"Our employees have told us that timely contracts and job protections are important to them, and this announcement is a win-win for the company, the union and our employees," said Greg Hart, United executive vice president and chief operations officer. "We are glad that our ongoing relationship with the IAM has produced meaningful benefits for United employees."
United has joint collective bargaining agreements covering the majority of its represented employees. The company and the IAM have executed seven joint collective agreements in the past few years for the airline's ramp service and passenger service agents, storekeepers, load planners, maintenance and fleet technical instructors, and other groups. United is also engaged in mediated negotiations with the Association of Flight Attendants and has entered into discussions with its pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, to consider an extension of their current collective agreement. Additionally, United recently announced an agreement with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters to put a proposed joint collective bargaining agreement out for ratification by the company's technicians and related employees.
12-31-2015, 05:59 PM
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It frustrates me to see some pilots complain that this negotiation was too quick.... but then insist Section 6 will be speedy. They say that we did a horrible job negotiating this TA and squandered our leverage thus playing to the company's hand, but insist that somehow Section 6 will produce monumental gains because the company will hand over a blank check immediately.
12-31-2015, 06:03 PM
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I wonder why that is. The IAM doesn't have some "super leverage" with long haul flying issues. Could it be that Oscar's team is trying to plot a new course?? Noooooo.... Not according to most of the "no" voters. It couldn't be that this TA is our version of that attempt at a new relationship. Impossible, so I've been told so many times here
You are aware that the UAL management and the IAM started their Section 6 negotiations a year early right?
United and IAM Agree to Open Contract Negotiations Early, Further Expand Job Protection for Employees
November 06, 2015
CHICAGO, Nov. 6, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines and the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) today agreed to commence contract negotiations more than one year ahead of the scheduled amendable date of their agreements. These negotiations, which cover nearly 30,000 United employees, are expected to proceed on an early and expedited basis.
"Working together with the IAM, United is moving forward to deliver industry-leading contracts for our IAM-represented employees well ahead of the normal bargaining schedule," said Mike Bonds, United's executive vice president of Human Resources and Labor Relations. "This is one of several positive steps we've taken recently to demonstrate our firm commitment to our people."
As part of this agreement, United has extended through Jan. 15, 2019, its commitment not to contract out work currently performed by the IAM-represented group at all hub and station airport locations.
"Our employees have told us that timely contracts and job protections are important to them, and this announcement is a win-win for the company, the union and our employees," said Greg Hart, United executive vice president and chief operations officer. "We are glad that our ongoing relationship with the IAM has produced meaningful benefits for United employees."
United has joint collective bargaining agreements covering the majority of its represented employees. The company and the IAM have executed seven joint collective agreements in the past few years for the airline's ramp service and passenger service agents, storekeepers, load planners, maintenance and fleet technical instructors, and other groups. United is also engaged in mediated negotiations with the Association of Flight Attendants and has entered into discussions with its pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, to consider an extension of their current collective agreement. Additionally, United recently announced an agreement with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters to put a proposed joint collective bargaining agreement out for ratification by the company's technicians and related employees.
United and IAM Agree to Open Contract Negotiations Early, Further Expand Job Protection for Employees
November 06, 2015
CHICAGO, Nov. 6, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines and the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) today agreed to commence contract negotiations more than one year ahead of the scheduled amendable date of their agreements. These negotiations, which cover nearly 30,000 United employees, are expected to proceed on an early and expedited basis.
"Working together with the IAM, United is moving forward to deliver industry-leading contracts for our IAM-represented employees well ahead of the normal bargaining schedule," said Mike Bonds, United's executive vice president of Human Resources and Labor Relations. "This is one of several positive steps we've taken recently to demonstrate our firm commitment to our people."
As part of this agreement, United has extended through Jan. 15, 2019, its commitment not to contract out work currently performed by the IAM-represented group at all hub and station airport locations.
"Our employees have told us that timely contracts and job protections are important to them, and this announcement is a win-win for the company, the union and our employees," said Greg Hart, United executive vice president and chief operations officer. "We are glad that our ongoing relationship with the IAM has produced meaningful benefits for United employees."
United has joint collective bargaining agreements covering the majority of its represented employees. The company and the IAM have executed seven joint collective agreements in the past few years for the airline's ramp service and passenger service agents, storekeepers, load planners, maintenance and fleet technical instructors, and other groups. United is also engaged in mediated negotiations with the Association of Flight Attendants and has entered into discussions with its pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, to consider an extension of their current collective agreement. Additionally, United recently announced an agreement with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters to put a proposed joint collective bargaining agreement out for ratification by the company's technicians and related employees.
12-31-2015, 06:10 PM
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Why are we so quick to accept their "terms". Why was Jay so quick to capitulate and waive the white flag on reserve issues?
Right now, we're cheap and the company knows it. They also know that the next DAL and AAA contracts are likely to be expensive. Locking us into something cheaper now, and for a LONG time is smart. Why are we so willing to go along with them when they don't even honor the last contract?
Why is the MEC so quick to jump at this? Perhaps Jay wants to go out with a (perceived) win? Perhaps as a group we are just so beat down that we'll accept anything and 13 percent seems like a windfall.
What's DALs opener, 17-5-5??
12-31-2015, 06:17 PM
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For the one who brought the IAM, do you know how long it took to get their last contract? Neither do I.
My point to Scott and all the others who keep bringing up section 6 is quite clear, the ALPA process is working the way it should. If you don't like the outcome then volunteer and if you won't do that, vote your conscience on the TA and enjoy life a bit.
It is what it is and it works quite well over the long run. Now stop eating your own.
My point to Scott and all the others who keep bringing up section 6 is quite clear, the ALPA process is working the way it should. If you don't like the outcome then volunteer and if you won't do that, vote your conscience on the TA and enjoy life a bit.
It is what it is and it works quite well over the long run. Now stop eating your own.
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