jsled

You are exactly right. They can bring the CS100 on property without a published pay scale and binding arbitration will decide....meanwhile, they can pay $139/hr (published E190 rates) while we haggle. Keep in mind that our 2016 published rate for an E195 is $163/hr. That's surely where we'll end up after arbitration. Personally, I'll take the $185. It's decent and we get the 100 seater at mainline, if they even buy it. The idea that they will replace the 319 with the CS 100...especially with our new lease agreements is reaching.

Flytolive

DALPA told our MEC that our TA would not help them attain their contractual goals. As Special Tracking correctly pointed out Section 6 is about the total value of the contract. DALPA's is worth hundreds of millions more than ours according to the Con statement.

Andy

Source? This is the first I've read that DALPA made that statement.

Yes, I understand all of the tradeoffs in contract negotiations painfully well. I don't buy the argument that this doesn't help DALPA; several here have posted how much better DALPA's openers are dollarwise. It's a lot easier to get a higher dollar number if a competitor already has that payscale.
As far as the section 6 stuff, DALPA can go for pilot pay being the full 10.85% of revenues in their compensation package.

Is this TA perfect? No. But it's good. Perfect is the enemy of good.

Flytolive

My reps. Give yours a call or send them an email.

Qotsaautopilot

I don't know if it's been said yet but you guys are getting at least 15 of our (spirit) 319s over the next 5 years

Andy

Nah, not important enough for me to bug my reps. I'll take your word for it.

Did you see this communication from Southwest? They seem to think that United's TA helps them. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ua...an-update.html

El10

My rep said the opposite that our TA has helped them. Glad to know some reps just fabricate stuff. Let me guess your rep is based in ORD?

Flytolive

That is not the opposite. Your rep gave his opinion. My reps relayed that the MEC was briefed that DALPA doesn't think our TA will help them attaining the contractual gains they are seeking.

Firsttimeflyer

What would you rather have. CS100/300 on mainline or on regional property.

I'm sorry but RJs or any new Large RJ flying must be at mainline. When will you learn. I've watched Dal, UAL, AAL guys all **** and moan about regional planes, regional pilots, regional payrates when they and their predecessors created the problem. It sure isn't the regional guys problem he has to get to mainline after trying to work his way through a regional.

Even worst case as it is, lowest payrates go to FOs. 3-5 near upgrades even at close to narrow body FO rates. You/We are realiativly protected. Better to be stuck on a large RJ at those payrates then double furloughed and then tossed to the wolves for longevity. Let alone a pilot at "mainline" is a captain while you are a double furloughed guy with 13+ years longevity but are junior to them.

Would you guys rather have that with the possibility to get downgraded to such, or would you rather be furloughed and then come back without seniority, without longevity, without pass travel benefits etc......

Scrappy

I heard if we vote no the company will come back to us in 5 business days with a 69% raise and everyone gets a pony.