Sniper66

UAL Forum?

A joke, to say the least . Same 10 A----s every day go off on line pilots that disagree with them

ColombianGringo

I agree with Probe, it is not accurate to say the CS-100 is a B-scale.

737-700
128 typical 2 class
Mtow 154.5
$235.76

Cs100
108 typical 2 class (15.7% less)
Mtow 121(21.7% less)
$185.19 (21.5% less)

It seems the pay rates for the CS-100 match up perfectly with a lower MTOW.

However if seats are taken into account, one could say the rates are about 6% less than they should be.

But "the pay for the CS-100 is 6% low" is much less inflammatory and fun to say than " the CS-100 is the new B scale"

ugleeual

There you go... It's a fair compensation based on MTOW.

intrepidcv11

As a guy on the fence, the nut bags on that board have done nothing to swing me towards no despite gallons of bandwith diaherria.

Andy

YOU sound like a terrible union member! Another 'independent contractor'/scablike/management wannabe who only thinks about himself! Don't you know that what those people want on the forum is best for all pilots? Even if it's not best for all pilots? Because they know everything and are the bestest unionists ever - especially when it comes to their personal interests. [\sarc]

Sniper66

Over 20 years with ALPA not a CAL ALPA in case you ask I think I can form my own opinion about things that come along and don't need them 10 or so arrogant pilots on the forum that constantly insulting line pilots

Sniper66

That is great and as it should be

We vote , majority wins and it is what it is

I think we could have done better than this extension as well

MasterOfPuppets

You ask a lot of questions but don't provide a lot of answers, so I am going to answer you and there will be a few questions embedded that I would request you answer for me.

The company was not provided FRMS relief. Read our current FRMS language and that of the TA and tell me what relief they received. In fact they now have to block off a first class/business seat on all 777 double augmented flights. That is a loss for them big time. In return they got the same ability they have now to apply for FRMS waivers, and ALPA is still involved with the process. So tell me what in there is worth a 13% raise?

MOU 22 fix is crap, it leaves out more than half of the pilot group. Narrow body guys will still not receive any add pay and will still have to file FSAP reports for not extending the first 30 min. How is that a win for the pilot group? It sounds like a win for the company.

So why don't we tell the company to play ball if they want MOU 22 and we can reinstate it for the benefit of the entire pilot group. As far as FRMS goes if that was the big need for the company and our major leverage then both sides blew it. The company got nothing and we lost nothing. So why not add those changes into an LOA, in my opinion we are not giving anything away. The LOA will expire the day we sign a new contract so we will still have to negotiate these changes.

Everyone said the company wants something so lets nail them to the wall. I ask you what exactly did the company get? And what in this TA is worth a 13% raise?

I will tell you what we didn't get. We didn't get reserve enhancements as promised, we didn't get a NSNB as promised, we did not get an MOU 22 fix as promised. So how is this TA NOT a concession? Maybe because most feel that those items are worth less than 13%, and maybe your right, but read between the lines.

The company waved a bunch of crisp $100 bills in front of your face PROBE, in the mean time they slipped the ball out from under the cup and are now waiting for you to choose which cup the ball is under. This negotiation was a shell game, the facts are we are getting paid 13% to extend our concessionary contract out for 2 more years, THATS WHAT THC COMPANY WANTED AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR. The company can pay hourly wages, they can budget and plan for that, what they can't pay for and what becomes VERY expensive is work rules. They know our work rules are subpar, they know we want them fixed and they most likely know what rules are at the top of our list.

So tell me probe what is really going on with these negotiations?

Regularguy

Sniper

I think you missed Andy's sarcasm.

The history of the UAL Boyle's Crewroom dates back to the UAL strike. One of the hang outs was this place near the Cherry Creek Inn (the fortress hotel for scabs) where the local picketers would meet, slam down one or two and talk about the day. The original Boyle's has been torn down and life moves on (for most).

However, for many the symbolism remains.

Regularguy

On the more serious side of this TA;

What I find forming in all the NO voters is basically three (OK I added a fourth) things:

1. Some just vote NO because they always will.

2. Some believe this was/is an opportunity to stick it to the man (UAL).

3. The main failure of the negotiations seems to be the reserve plight and the plight seems to be two things QOL for commuters and Short Call.

4. Some believe 13% (on top of the 3%) is chump change.

I know it's a bit simple but go back and read the posts and I believe those three/four things summarize them all. Maybe someone else can shed some other ideas as the vote approached this next week.