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Old 01-13-2016, 09:07 PM
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No give. This 10 hour from a SC provision IMO was just a miss by our negotiators. Company found it and is using it. That loophole needs to be closed. 12 hours to show in both cases.
And the management types want the "10 am first day" loophole closed. They missed it when FAR 117 came down.

I believe this will go away in the next Section 6. The best thing for reserve commuters to do is vote yes as that pushes the status quo a couple years down the road. There is a good chance that will be a concessionary give next time.

Hopefully we can get a dollar or 2 an hour more per hour.
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Old 01-13-2016, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Probe
And the management types want the "10 am first day" loophole closed. They missed it when FAR 117 came down.

I believe this will go away in the next Section 6. The best thing for reserve commuters to do is vote yes as that pushes the status quo a couple years down the road. There is a good chance that will be a concessionary give next time.
Novel but interesting point. If they failed to improve reserve on this TA why would they improve them in section six. The lack of respect for reserves won't change. More likely that they could use "gives" on reserve rules for "gets" elsewhere.
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Old 01-14-2016, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Probe
And the management types want the "10 am first day" loophole closed. They missed it when FAR 117 came down.

I believe this will go away in the next Section 6. The best thing for reserve commuters to do is vote yes as that pushes the status quo a couple years down the road. There is a good chance that will be a concessionary give next time.

Hopefully we can get a dollar or 2 an hour more per hour.


This post sealed the deal for me. I'm changing my vote to YES since the negotiators are going sacrifice the reserves. C'mon you no voters, get on the bandwagon. Brother James?

The only fight in this pilot group is for a shiny quarter superglued to a Cracker Barrel bathroom floor after long day of unlimited refills of sweet tea and all you can eat fried chicken. Well, make that 4-8 quarters. Hopefully.

Probe, you're in management right?

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Old 01-14-2016, 06:07 AM
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Red Foxx! The perfect clip. OK. I'm with you guys. I'll Vote yes. I give up.

It appears as though some are already prepared for additional concessions.
As Neil likes to say, YCMTSU!!! Thanks for the morning laugh. "A dollar or two"....He DOES work in the flight office.

Save your money because when they figure out the timbre of this group, they won't wait a second to come to us with hat in hand, whether its needed or not.

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Old 01-14-2016, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Probe
And the management types want the "10 am first day" loophole closed. They missed it when FAR 117 came down.

I believe this will go away in the next Section 6. The best thing for reserve commuters to do is vote yes as that pushes the status quo a couple years down the road. There is a good chance that will be a concessionary give next time.

Hopefully we can get a dollar or 2 an hour more per hour.
It amazing, he's sold the TA hard based on a few dollars and is beginning to sell a concessionary contract next time for a couple more dollars. Unbelievably........little management shill message.
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Old 01-14-2016, 05:28 PM
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ST and James, Staller agrees with you? Happened to me once. I had to reevaluate my position.

I believe management will want this badly, and 85% of the pilots would not sacrifice anything else to keep it. So I believe it will go away. You heard it here first.

Potentially they could trade it for "no SC before 1300 on the first day, and no SC on the last day, unless you are the last pilot available.

85% of pilots will not "give" anything to keep the 10 am loophole. I am one of those.
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Old 01-14-2016, 05:30 PM
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There are 3 rules for bidding.

1. Don't commute to reserve.
2. Don't commute to reserve.
3. Don't complain, if you don't follow rules #1 and #2.
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Ya, SRM sucks for lineholders that are local, let's have all reserves sit at the airport.
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Old 01-14-2016, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Probe
ST and James, Staller agrees with you? Happened to me once. I had to reevaluate my position.

I believe management will want this badly, and 85% of the pilots would not sacrifice anything else to keep it. So I believe it will go away. You heard it here first.

Potentially they could trade it for "no SC before 1300 on the first day, and no SC on the last day, unless you are the last pilot available.

85% of pilots will not "give" anything to keep the 10 am loophole. I am one of those.
At best, you are the personification of a cost neutral contract.
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Originally Posted by Probe
There are 3 rules for bidding.

1. Don't commute to reserve.
2. Don't commute to reserve.
3. Don't complain, if you don't follow rules #1 and #2.
4. Don't blame a commuting reserve for commuting to reserve. Sometimes it just happens. I did have a choice. I could have quit my job. But I kinda liked it so I waited it out and soon I wasn't commuting reserve any more. But it happens, sometimes quite randomly with fleet/base changes, and the rules need to be written for all of us, not just those fortunate enough to never have had to commute to reserve.
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