Fixes to reserve
05-10-2016, 10:16 PM
#253
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Just do away with reserve lines....
For each BES, build 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 day reserve pairings. They are bid in PBS just like a regular flying assignment. Every one is a line holder. You can pick them up and trade them as a normal trip. The pay is 5 hours per day.
We already have the PBS computer programmed to do this with mixed lines. All they need to do is write a side letter and we could turn it on in July. You still have SRM to handle scheduling melt-downs. 15 reserve days at 5 hours per day pays 75 hours per month. You would find Senior pilots bidding and picking them up because they probably won't work on those days anyway. When scheduling get's nervous about reserve coverage they could throw in a reserve pairing worth 5 hours per day and someone would pick it up for the pay.
Unfortunately, our Union would never entertain the thought of this idea because it doesn't fit into there very small "inside the box" negotiating rules. There are a lot of good ideas that Pilot's have out there. The Volunteer SME's in this Union just can't listen.
For each BES, build 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 day reserve pairings. They are bid in PBS just like a regular flying assignment. Every one is a line holder. You can pick them up and trade them as a normal trip. The pay is 5 hours per day.
We already have the PBS computer programmed to do this with mixed lines. All they need to do is write a side letter and we could turn it on in July. You still have SRM to handle scheduling melt-downs. 15 reserve days at 5 hours per day pays 75 hours per month. You would find Senior pilots bidding and picking them up because they probably won't work on those days anyway. When scheduling get's nervous about reserve coverage they could throw in a reserve pairing worth 5 hours per day and someone would pick it up for the pay.
Unfortunately, our Union would never entertain the thought of this idea because it doesn't fit into there very small "inside the box" negotiating rules. There are a lot of good ideas that Pilot's have out there. The Volunteer SME's in this Union just can't listen.
The perceived SC and FSB abuse sounds much more like incompetence and lack of training on the part of crew scheduling. Contractual change doesn't fix stupid.
Commuting to reserve will NEVER, EVER be as good as being the number one wide body captain lines. The rest of us will never vote to support such change, as it would cost us all too much, to benefit a very small number. That is why they call it a "union".
"Fixes to reserve" and satellite bases will not happen. 80% of us will vote no.
05-10-2016, 10:53 PM
#254
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FSIMS has allowances for POI's to deviate from FAR 117 rules that would allow SC/LC and rules for FSB to by replaced by agreed upon scheduling rules in the Fatigue Mitigation Program requirements.
In other words we could completely do away with SC and FSB as we know it.
How about when on a Reserve Assignment you simply just need to be available to show in say 2:30. You would be on reserve 24 hours a day! Oh, and the company puts you up in a Hotel near the airport. If you want to stay at home it's your call.
The point is as a UNION you can do anything you all can agree on. It is time to break the mold on how this Union does business, it is terribly dysfunctional and antiquated. We certainly could do much better.
In other words we could completely do away with SC and FSB as we know it.
How about when on a Reserve Assignment you simply just need to be available to show in say 2:30. You would be on reserve 24 hours a day! Oh, and the company puts you up in a Hotel near the airport. If you want to stay at home it's your call.
The point is as a UNION you can do anything you all can agree on. It is time to break the mold on how this Union does business, it is terribly dysfunctional and antiquated. We certainly could do much better.
05-11-2016, 04:25 AM
#255
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Except for the whole "law of unintended consequences". Like the guy who bid a 5 day reserve line/window, then still wants to sit at home in front of his pool in PHX. No change from the current system.
The perceived SC and FSB abuse sounds much more like incompetence and lack of training on the part of crew scheduling. Contractual change doesn't fix stupid.
Commuting to reserve will NEVER, EVER be as good as being the number one wide body captain lines. The rest of us will never vote to support such change, as it would cost us all too much, to benefit a very small number. That is why they call it a "union".
"Fixes to reserve" and satellite bases will not happen. 80% of us will vote no.
The perceived SC and FSB abuse sounds much more like incompetence and lack of training on the part of crew scheduling. Contractual change doesn't fix stupid.
Commuting to reserve will NEVER, EVER be as good as being the number one wide body captain lines. The rest of us will never vote to support such change, as it would cost us all too much, to benefit a very small number. That is why they call it a "union".
"Fixes to reserve" and satellite bases will not happen. 80% of us will vote no.
Maybe being able to bid LC or SC again is a possible solution. Allowing FSB into this contract was monumental stupidity, and it it has to be massaged a bit.
And no, it wasn't worth voting no at this point to fix. IMHO. If the entry point for the company on fixes to reserve is to do away with the 10am first day show, all negotiations should be accomplished by the NC from a Budweiser raft floating around in a pool in Phoenix.
05-11-2016, 04:32 PM
#256
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This is it in a nutshell. "Changes to reserve" that have a cost to the company AND/OR to the real or perceived QOL of senior folks is a nonstarter. But if we can get the MEC to address the SC/FSB assignment process that makes it transparent, viewable, and metric driven that is a win/win. The arguments on the extremes of paddling around on your non domicile pool on reserve or just assign everybody available a SC/FSB at 1640 to cover 2 departures are not tenable.
Maybe being able to bid LC or SC again is a possible solution. Allowing FSB into this contract was monumental stupidity, and it it has to be massaged a bit.
And no, it wasn't worth voting no at this point to fix. IMHO. If the entry point for the company on fixes to reserve is to do away with the 10am first day show, all negotiations should be accomplished by the NC from a Budweiser raft floating around in a pool in Phoenix.
Maybe being able to bid LC or SC again is a possible solution. Allowing FSB into this contract was monumental stupidity, and it it has to be massaged a bit.
And no, it wasn't worth voting no at this point to fix. IMHO. If the entry point for the company on fixes to reserve is to do away with the 10am first day show, all negotiations should be accomplished by the NC from a Budweiser raft floating around in a pool in Phoenix.
The "fix" to reserve will probably be that this goes away in the next contract, as we are unwilling to spend the capital to keep it. The current contract extension keeps all the bennies of the current system, including the 10 am show on the first day.
I bid reserve about half the time, and fly with reserves about 1/3 of the time. The only pilots I hear complaining about reserve are on this board. The last one I flew with that complained about our system was back in 07 or so.
Hopefully no changes to reserve. Any change, will probably be for the worse.
12-06-2016, 04:33 PM
#257
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I'm thinking if it ain't broke...don't fix it!! I do a little VDO action and pick up some short calls to plus up the credit to lineholder level$...but in general, I just don't fly. Work smarter...not harder.
Jsled..the 4 day beard rsv necroposting dude
Jsled..the 4 day beard rsv necroposting dude
12-06-2016, 06:29 PM
#258
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12-06-2016, 06:48 PM
#259
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12-06-2016, 07:07 PM
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Sled,
What's the point of revisiting this old dead thread now? Has gloating suddenly come into vogue?
From Google:
Gloating - to contemplate or dwell on one's own success or another's misfortune with smugness or malignant pleasure.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...F-8#q=gloating
20-25 percent of 11500 is a big number. There are a lot of guys on reserve and from what I read, not all are giddy. In fact, take a look at DCA 777 next month. The G line just jumped by 40 - 50 guys. That will put a lot of guys on SC who have been solid line holders for years. Many of them don't live anywhere near DC, so please spare us the "you bid it" argument. Twenty bucks says the number of PDR's from DC pilots jumps next month. While I'm glad its working well for YOU, that's not my idea of being a union member. What's next, sweet deals from Scheduling for flying over vacation?
As ST said, I'm having a tough time recognizing this new version of United Airlines.
What's the point of revisiting this old dead thread now? Has gloating suddenly come into vogue?
From Google:
Gloating - to contemplate or dwell on one's own success or another's misfortune with smugness or malignant pleasure.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...F-8#q=gloating
20-25 percent of 11500 is a big number. There are a lot of guys on reserve and from what I read, not all are giddy. In fact, take a look at DCA 777 next month. The G line just jumped by 40 - 50 guys. That will put a lot of guys on SC who have been solid line holders for years. Many of them don't live anywhere near DC, so please spare us the "you bid it" argument. Twenty bucks says the number of PDR's from DC pilots jumps next month. While I'm glad its working well for YOU, that's not my idea of being a union member. What's next, sweet deals from Scheduling for flying over vacation?
As ST said, I'm having a tough time recognizing this new version of United Airlines.
Last edited by oldmako; 12-06-2016 at 07:35 PM.
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