Fixes to reserve
05-09-2016, 10:12 PM
#241
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No, you also imply that you have no empathy for your fellow pilots who will be stuck on reserve when you hold a line.
20% of the company will always be on reserve. Some few by positive choice, some will make the choice balancing obligations, some through no choice. But one out of five of us will always have to be on reserve.
And a half-winger is two sick calls away from looking back on what would have been a great career.
Looking out for your own self interest is fine. Looking out for your own self interest to the detriment of others makes you a sociopath. Or a Smisek.
20% of the company will always be on reserve. Some few by positive choice, some will make the choice balancing obligations, some through no choice. But one out of five of us will always have to be on reserve.
And a half-winger is two sick calls away from looking back on what would have been a great career.
Looking out for your own self interest is fine. Looking out for your own self interest to the detriment of others makes you a sociopath. Or a Smisek.
Love all the noobs on here complaining about reserve....no comparison to how bad it used to be. And now reserves have even more ability to poach the best trips that pop up after 9:00 before lineholders can trade for them with this ridiculous 10:55 run. Yes there are a few minor things that need to be fixed, but give me a break. Reserve is reserve, that's just the way it is, that's the nature of reserve. But it is a cakewalk compared to the days of yore.
05-10-2016, 08:24 AM
#242
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I love the collective amnesia on this forum. Am I the only one who can remember the superior LC/SC program that we had at LUAL before the merger? The one that had reasonable transparency, that was 90 percent predictable and had a FIFO list that actually meant something? The one where virtually all SC and FSB's were assigned by 1100 the day prior and not handed out like skittles at the whim of whoever was in charge of scheduling that day? The one designed to minimize disruption of one's life and actually made commuting to reserve (somewhat) palatable?
I guess so.
I guess so.
05-10-2016, 08:24 AM
#243
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Love all the noobs on here complaining about reserve....no comparison to how bad it used to be. And now reserves have even more ability to poach the best trips that pop up after 9:00 before lineholders can trade for them with this ridiculous 10:55 run. Yes there are a few minor things that need to be fixed, but give me a break. Reserve is reserve, that's just the way it is, that's the nature of reserve. But it is a cakewalk compared to the days of yore.
I love the collective amnesia on this forum. Am I the only one who can remember the superior LC/SC program that we had at LUAL before the merger? The one that had reasonable transparency, that was 90 percent predictable and had a FIFO list that actually meant something? The one where virtually all SC and FSB's were assigned by 1100 the day prior and not handed out like skittles at the whim of whoever was in charge of scheduling that day? The one designed to minimize disruption of one's life and actually made commuting to reserve (somewhat) palatable?
I guess so.
I guess so.
Heard about it, sounds awesome. Also heard about they pay in the same contract. Can we get the reserve system and nothing else without giving anything back?
05-10-2016, 08:32 AM
#244
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I love the collective amnesia on this forum. Am I the only one who can remember the superior LC/SC program that we had at LUAL before the merger? The one that had reasonable transparency, that was 90 percent predictable and had a FIFO list that actually meant something? The one where virtually all SC and FSB's were assigned by 1100 the day prior and not handed out like skittles at the whim of whoever was in charge of scheduling that day? The one designed to minimize disruption of one's life and actually made commuting to reserve (somewhat) palatable?
I guess so.
I guess so.
I agree with what I think you're saying though--no, reserve doesn't have to be like this, and it certainly shouldn't stay like this just because "reserve always sucks here, and everywhere, and junior has to go through what I went through."
Aside from the fact that it's not always the junior person who's on reserve, having the attitude that new-hires just have to suffer like we did is pretty short sighted. Your first year at any job sets the view of how you perceive you're valued. Reserve rules are negotiated by us and our union. Treat new-hires like crap and unity goes out the window long after they're no longer new hires. Just ask the guys who were hired during LCAL period of no medical insurance for six months. Talk about throwing the most vulnerable under the bus. I'm sure even the company was shaking their head at how a union could do that to its on.
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05-10-2016, 08:51 AM
#245
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Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
I love the collective amnesia on this forum. Am I the only one who can remember the superior LC/SC program that we had at LUAL before the merger? The one that had reasonable transparency, that was 90 percent predictable and had a FIFO list that actually meant something? The one where virtually all SC and FSB's were assigned by 1100 the day prior and not handed out like skittles at the whim of whoever was in charge of scheduling that day? The one designed to minimize disruption of one's life and actually made commuting to reserve (somewhat) palatable?
I guess so.
I guess so.
05-10-2016, 09:26 AM
#246
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Posts: 301
I think you have a bit of selective amnesia. I commuted to deep six RSV as a Guppy Captain from '07 - '09. It is true that MOST SC's were assigned by 11:00, but not ALL. And SCs were ABSOLUTELY handed out like skittles. I wrote FSAPs and called supervisors...to no avail. "If I can protect the operation, I'm gonna do it" was a popular response from CS supervisors. "There is no limit on SC's" was another one from CS and ALPA. Ahhh....the good ol' days.
As for assigning SC's, scheduling was trying to abide by the "must assign by 11 AM" rule, as much as they could. It was followed 90% of the time. I fought them tooth and nail whenever they went outside this timeframe, and they didn't do it too much. Occasionally they would add one later in the day, but they were hit with grievances on those immediately. They did have periods they tried to assign everyone SCs, but once again, they got hit with grievances and it settled down. FSBs was almost nonexistent.
I careless how bad the L-CAL reserve system was. The current system needs to be fixed. Blatantly assigning SCs and FSB with no rhyme or reason has to stop. Not being able to effectively see FIFO, without having to put it together like a CSI episode, must get fixed. There are plenty of senior guys, like me, that want to bid reserve, every now and then, so I'm sick of hearing it's for the "junior guys". Reserves need to be fully addressed in Full SEC 6. I believe our current MEC chair will rectify this atrocity.
05-10-2016, 09:43 AM
#247
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Talk about being selective!! Old Mako was spot on for 9 out of 10 things and you want to jump on one thing, and discredit his whole write-up. Absurd! Old Mako had it right that L-UALs reserve setup was much more transparent. That's the overall problem. You could see the reserve manning for each day of the month on one calendar page. Also the FIFO list was crystal clear, since it showed all the pilots for that day on reserve, even the ones that got assigned a trip, and it actually made sense. All the information was located on one page and 'if' you wanted to tab to the next pages, then it showed the remaining reserves (those that were on their days off).
As for assigning SC's, scheduling was trying to abide by the "must assign by 11 AM" rule, as much as they could. It was followed 90% of the time. I fought them tooth and nail whenever they went outside this timeframe, and they didn't do it too much. Occasionally they would add one later in the day, but they were hit with grievances on those immediately. They did have periods they tried to assign everyone SCs, but once again, they got hit with grievances and it settled down. FSBs was almost nonexistent.
I careless how bad the L-CAL reserve system was. The current system needs to be fixed. Blatantly assigning SCs and FSB with no rhyme or reason has to stop. Not being able to effectively see FIFO, without having to put it together like a CSI episode, must get fixed. There are plenty of senior guys, like me, that want to bid reserve, every now and then, so I'm sick of hearing it's for the "junior guys". Reserves need to be fully addressed in Full SEC 6. I believe our current MEC chair will rectify this atrocity.
As for assigning SC's, scheduling was trying to abide by the "must assign by 11 AM" rule, as much as they could. It was followed 90% of the time. I fought them tooth and nail whenever they went outside this timeframe, and they didn't do it too much. Occasionally they would add one later in the day, but they were hit with grievances on those immediately. They did have periods they tried to assign everyone SCs, but once again, they got hit with grievances and it settled down. FSBs was almost nonexistent.
I careless how bad the L-CAL reserve system was. The current system needs to be fixed. Blatantly assigning SCs and FSB with no rhyme or reason has to stop. Not being able to effectively see FIFO, without having to put it together like a CSI episode, must get fixed. There are plenty of senior guys, like me, that want to bid reserve, every now and then, so I'm sick of hearing it's for the "junior guys". Reserves need to be fully addressed in Full SEC 6. I believe our current MEC chair will rectify this atrocity.
05-10-2016, 12:44 PM
#248
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B-787 Captain
Posts: 183
Just do away with reserve lines....
For each BES, build 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 day reserve pairings. They are bid in PBS just like a regular flying assignment. Every one is a line holder. You can pick them up and trade them as a normal trip. The pay is 5 hours per day.
We already have the PBS computer programmed to do this with mixed lines. All they need to do is write a side letter and we could turn it on in July. You still have SRM to handle scheduling melt-downs. 15 reserve days at 5 hours per day pays 75 hours per month. You would find Senior pilots bidding and picking them up because they probably won't work on those days anyway. When scheduling get's nervous about reserve coverage they could throw in a reserve pairing worth 5 hours per day and someone would pick it up for the pay.
Unfortunately, our Union would never entertain the thought of this idea because it doesn't fit into there very small "inside the box" negotiating rules. There are a lot of good ideas that Pilot's have out there. The Volunteer SME's in this Union just can't listen.
For each BES, build 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 day reserve pairings. They are bid in PBS just like a regular flying assignment. Every one is a line holder. You can pick them up and trade them as a normal trip. The pay is 5 hours per day.
We already have the PBS computer programmed to do this with mixed lines. All they need to do is write a side letter and we could turn it on in July. You still have SRM to handle scheduling melt-downs. 15 reserve days at 5 hours per day pays 75 hours per month. You would find Senior pilots bidding and picking them up because they probably won't work on those days anyway. When scheduling get's nervous about reserve coverage they could throw in a reserve pairing worth 5 hours per day and someone would pick it up for the pay.
Unfortunately, our Union would never entertain the thought of this idea because it doesn't fit into there very small "inside the box" negotiating rules. There are a lot of good ideas that Pilot's have out there. The Volunteer SME's in this Union just can't listen.
05-10-2016, 01:06 PM
#249
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,982
Just do away with reserve lines....
For each BES, build 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 day reserve pairings. They are bid in PBS just like a regular flying assignment. Every one is a line holder. You can pick them up and trade them as a normal trip. The pay is 5 hours per day.
We already have the PBS computer programmed to do this with mixed lines. All they need to do is write a side letter and we could turn it on in July. You still have SRM to handle scheduling melt-downs. 15 reserve days at 5 hours per day pays 75 hours per month. You would find Senior pilots bidding and picking them up because they probably won't work on those days anyway. When scheduling get's nervous about reserve coverage they could throw in a reserve pairing worth 5 hours per day and someone would pick it up for the pay.
Unfortunately, our Union would never entertain the thought of this idea because it doesn't fit into there very small "inside the box" negotiating rules. There are a lot of good ideas that Pilot's have out there. The Volunteer SME's in this Union just can't listen.
For each BES, build 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 day reserve pairings. They are bid in PBS just like a regular flying assignment. Every one is a line holder. You can pick them up and trade them as a normal trip. The pay is 5 hours per day.
We already have the PBS computer programmed to do this with mixed lines. All they need to do is write a side letter and we could turn it on in July. You still have SRM to handle scheduling melt-downs. 15 reserve days at 5 hours per day pays 75 hours per month. You would find Senior pilots bidding and picking them up because they probably won't work on those days anyway. When scheduling get's nervous about reserve coverage they could throw in a reserve pairing worth 5 hours per day and someone would pick it up for the pay.
Unfortunately, our Union would never entertain the thought of this idea because it doesn't fit into there very small "inside the box" negotiating rules. There are a lot of good ideas that Pilot's have out there. The Volunteer SME's in this Union just can't listen.
That's an interesting idea that I've never considered. It might even work.
05-10-2016, 01:25 PM
#250
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,639
Just do away with reserve lines....
For each BES, build 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 day reserve pairings. They are bid in PBS just like a regular flying assignment. Every one is a line holder. You can pick them up and trade them as a normal trip. The pay is 5 hours per day.
We already have the PBS computer programmed to do this with mixed lines. All they need to do is write a side letter and we could turn it on in July. You still have SRM to handle scheduling melt-downs. 15 reserve days at 5 hours per day pays 75 hours per month. You would find Senior pilots bidding and picking them up because they probably won't work on those days anyway. When scheduling get's nervous about reserve coverage they could throw in a reserve pairing worth 5 hours per day and someone would pick it up for the pay.
Unfortunately, our Union would never entertain the thought of this idea because it doesn't fit into there very small "inside the box" negotiating rules. There are a lot of good ideas that Pilot's have out there. The Volunteer SME's in this Union just can't listen.
For each BES, build 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 day reserve pairings. They are bid in PBS just like a regular flying assignment. Every one is a line holder. You can pick them up and trade them as a normal trip. The pay is 5 hours per day.
We already have the PBS computer programmed to do this with mixed lines. All they need to do is write a side letter and we could turn it on in July. You still have SRM to handle scheduling melt-downs. 15 reserve days at 5 hours per day pays 75 hours per month. You would find Senior pilots bidding and picking them up because they probably won't work on those days anyway. When scheduling get's nervous about reserve coverage they could throw in a reserve pairing worth 5 hours per day and someone would pick it up for the pay.
Unfortunately, our Union would never entertain the thought of this idea because it doesn't fit into there very small "inside the box" negotiating rules. There are a lot of good ideas that Pilot's have out there. The Volunteer SME's in this Union just can't listen.
But, IMHO, the obvious Achille's Heel will be $$$. Right now the company is paying less than 5 hours per day for RSV availability. That will have to be reconciled somewhere and somehow. There are lots of obvious solutions but $$$ is involved and we all know where that path typically goes.
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