Fixes to reserve
01-27-2016, 03:15 PM
#181
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The pilots that are complaining about reserve here are in the VERY VERY EXTREME MINORITY. Our reserve system rocks.
FSB should be paid. SNG is paid, I got it twice this year. 2 hours add pay each. I don't know why a SNG is any different than a FSB.
01-27-2016, 03:18 PM
#182
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I'd say by definition it's within 200 miles of base. The contract move section is within 200 miles. Less than a 4 hr drive so too far for sitting SC. I'd like to see SC a 4 hour callout especially since it's an agreed to distance as well.
Someone mentioned a limit on involuntary SC. Sounds great as well, and maybe change it so voluntary SC has no limit on number.
All this can be done with LOAs. The MEC has the right man in the job, get resolutions out to start the process moving.
Someone mentioned a limit on involuntary SC. Sounds great as well, and maybe change it so voluntary SC has no limit on number.
All this can be done with LOAs. The MEC has the right man in the job, get resolutions out to start the process moving.
01-27-2016, 05:55 PM
#183
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I'm not sure its a reasonable expectation that SC should be extended to 4 hrs… kinda defeats the purpose of having close-in and and quickly available reserve pilots to get a plane moving to its destination… so 2.5 is not unreasonable expectation IMO. I do agree that assignment of SCs is out of hand by crew desk but they do provide add pay if they assign to frequently… FSBs on the other hand should get 4 or 5 hours of credit time like it was in the past for driving in… would discourage crew desk from assigning multiple for fun.
01-27-2016, 06:32 PM
#184
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A little consistency and some logical reasoning within fleets, bases, and seats would go a long way.
01-27-2016, 07:09 PM
#185
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The only pilots I have heard who don't like SC's are on this board. Every single pilot I fly with on reserve wants as many as they can get.
The pilots that are complaining about reserve here are in the VERY VERY EXTREME MINORITY. Our reserve system rocks.
FSB should be paid. SNG is paid, I got it twice this year. 2 hours add pay each. I don't know why a SNG is any different than a FSB.
The pilots that are complaining about reserve here are in the VERY VERY EXTREME MINORITY. Our reserve system rocks.
FSB should be paid. SNG is paid, I got it twice this year. 2 hours add pay each. I don't know why a SNG is any different than a FSB.
01-27-2016, 07:56 PM
#186
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Sorry but your personal straw poll is not an accurate representation for the entire group. Look across the board at every a/c, every base, every seat. Some make no sense for the time and volume needed. There is no constant number. It changes according to the scheduler that morning. For example, there is no reason to get a midnight call to become the 4th guy for 2 day shortcall for LAX 787 c/a when there are no 2 day trips. Any reason for a 1 day shortcall for SFO 747 f/o?
A little consistency and some logical reasoning within fleets, bases, and seats would go a long way.
A little consistency and some logical reasoning within fleets, bases, and seats would go a long way.
Other than APC, I have met exactly ONE, UNO, who didn't like our system, and complained about it. Of course, he complained the whole 4 day trip.
05 - 08, we didn't have the 10 am start for the first day. Our current system rocks.
01-27-2016, 08:34 PM
#187
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Probe:
I believe the complaint I hear is not the "system" in theory but the reality of having people on short call for no reason. I am currently 756 out of IAH and live 2.5 hours from work. For me reserve is great. However they will have 2-3 people on SC on a day with weather (thunderstorms, rain, fog) and on clear blue days they will put 8 guys on short call with 1 on field standby. No reason other than they can. It makes no sense in my opinion.
That's the complaint I hear most often. Not that this is a bad system when you first read through the UPA but UAL abuses the flexibility to create short calls/field standbys (although I don't often see FS). And in just over 2 years I have heard more than one person complain (not more than 10 but more than 1).
I believe the complaint I hear is not the "system" in theory but the reality of having people on short call for no reason. I am currently 756 out of IAH and live 2.5 hours from work. For me reserve is great. However they will have 2-3 people on SC on a day with weather (thunderstorms, rain, fog) and on clear blue days they will put 8 guys on short call with 1 on field standby. No reason other than they can. It makes no sense in my opinion.
That's the complaint I hear most often. Not that this is a bad system when you first read through the UPA but UAL abuses the flexibility to create short calls/field standbys (although I don't often see FS). And in just over 2 years I have heard more than one person complain (not more than 10 but more than 1).
01-27-2016, 09:31 PM
#188
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Probe:
I believe the complaint I hear is not the "system" in theory but the reality of having people on short call for no reason. I am currently 756 out of IAH and live 2.5 hours from work. For me reserve is great. However they will have 2-3 people on SC on a day with weather (thunderstorms, rain, fog) and on clear blue days they will put 8 guys on short call with 1 on field standby. No reason other than they can. It makes no sense in my opinion.
That's the complaint I hear most often. Not that this is a bad system when you first read through the UPA but UAL abuses the flexibility to create short calls/field standbys (although I don't often see FS). And in just over 2 years I have heard more than one person complain (not more than 10 but more than 1).
I believe the complaint I hear is not the "system" in theory but the reality of having people on short call for no reason. I am currently 756 out of IAH and live 2.5 hours from work. For me reserve is great. However they will have 2-3 people on SC on a day with weather (thunderstorms, rain, fog) and on clear blue days they will put 8 guys on short call with 1 on field standby. No reason other than they can. It makes no sense in my opinion.
That's the complaint I hear most often. Not that this is a bad system when you first read through the UPA but UAL abuses the flexibility to create short calls/field standbys (although I don't often see FS). And in just over 2 years I have heard more than one person complain (not more than 10 but more than 1).
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01-28-2016, 05:53 AM
#190
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Here is my straw poll. Since 05 or 06, when lUAL when to SC/LC, I have flown with hundreds and hundreds of pilots. Lots of them on reserve, as I have been on reserve a lot of that time.
Other than APC, I have met exactly ONE, UNO, who didn't like our system, and complained about it. Of course, he complained the whole 4 day trip.
05 - 08, we didn't have the 10 am start for the first day. Our current system rocks.
Other than APC, I have met exactly ONE, UNO, who didn't like our system, and complained about it. Of course, he complained the whole 4 day trip.
05 - 08, we didn't have the 10 am start for the first day. Our current system rocks.
Reserve is certainly way better than it could have ever been at Lcal but I'll stop short saying it "rocks". As someone pointed out the main angst is the way the company is abusing their ability to build SC on a whim with no rhyme or reason. If they want 8 den 320 f/os on short call for 1 day and 6 sfo 747 c/a on sc for 2 day fine. But make it consistent.
A scheduler should not have the ability to manipulate it based on what side of the bed they woke up on for no reason. Reserve is reserve but the company should ALWAYS be held accountable for their actions.... Just like we are
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