Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald

I'm sorry, didn't get that spell checker, was that revered or reviled?

Originally Posted by Glenntilton

I'd like to read more about that. Morris is revered on the other forum by the more outspoken.

Originally Posted by FlyingGuitar

It's irrelevant. The Goon Squad you speak of were found to be fired illegally and subsequently got their jobs back with back pay. The order from the judge that you say "weakened" our union during this time is pure nonsense. Take a look at the judgement and you will see how nonsensical such statements sound. The Union was weakened by the likes of Wendy Morris who refused to exercise a framework developed by her predecessor that would have protected you during the merge.

Originally Posted by FlyingGuitar

you no voters act as if someone owes you a great life as YOU define it... what about the double furloughees that are receiving 8th year vs 12th year pay (on top of the ISL screwing they received) that will have to suck up another 3 years of substandard pay hoping they are made whole in the contract YOU want... what about these junior pilots? your selfishness disgusts me. I've got 7 plus years left and am about to leave a line holding 756 CAP position for a 777 reserve CAP position. I can hold a line on the 777 east coast but CHOOSE to sit reserve west coast. If I get angry about my lack of quality of life I'll go find a mirror and scream at the idiot that caused my misery...

Originally Posted by FlyingGuitar

Why I'm voting NO.

I only wish that all of you could see past your wallet for just long enough to look at just how devastating this TA will be on your collective futures.

BS

Compensation
With all the varnish of compounding stripped away, this is a 13% pay raise for a signing bonus. It is my contention that the added 3% - 2% in following years would easily be surpassed by any regularly negotiated agreement that we would begin negotiating in 6 months. The pilot group is in a stronger bargaining position now than we were 4 years ago, and the company (and industry) is in a record profit era… Why would we want to wait? So, with a bottom line of 13%, what are we really getting? Then ask yourself: Why would the company want to wait?

13-3-2. Plus the furloughees get PAID baby. And for what? A 2 year extension. Man this passes BIG.

FRMS
The PRO statement regards the FRMS language as a “big win” for the pilots, yet I call attention to the C-11 Chairman’s comments that, while the improvements to the 777 crew rest are marginal (and even debatable), we’ve given up on any language for ALL other international aircraft.

Guaranteed 2 premium rest seats on double augmented FRMS 777-200 routes. No debating that's a win. The other aircraft have real bunk rooms.

Furlough Protection

Thankfully, I have never been on furlough. However I will defer to the C-57 Vice-Chairman’s comments that, quite simply, contractual furlough protection is meaningless (and as a furloughed UAL pilot, he knows). If the company decided it makes sense to furlough, is there any doubt by anyone that the company will do so, irregardless of what the contract says?
So, with the above alone, I have already voted NO on this TA, and I urge each of you to do the same.

If they furlough, they have to remove 6 seats from all the 76 seaters...not subject to force majeur. Didn't you listen to the webinar? Only now, with the TA... It's anybody hired up to the TA signature. Not C2012.

But then came more thoroughly reasoned analyses of the concessionary effects of this TA. The most frightening analysis comes from an on-line post by a former C-57 Vice Chairman who was on the MEC during the very turbulent years leading up to our current TA, and it comes in the form of the poison pill (actually, an asterisk!) contained within the new Compensation tables. Specifically, it includes a modified pay table for the largest class of “regional” jets - so called because these jets equal the take-off gross weight of some 737s and have a range of up to 3100NM… all for a fraction of what we were paid to fly the aircraft they are replacing. These provisions completely ignore the capability these new aircraft bring to the industry, and open the door to - what some call - a C-scale of wages, or outsourcing of the very flying that makes a healthy United Airlines even possible.


E190*
E195*
*includes E2 variant
Oh Man!! THIS IS SO SINISTER...BEWARE THE ASTERISK!!!!!
$195/hr to fly E190/E190-E2/E195/E195-E2/CS100. Sign me up!! Some C scale.


I have attached the arguments below (3 items, attributed) so I will let those smarter than me speak to the particulars. But this does bring us back to the very process of how ALPA brings tentative agreements to the fore: I have been on the property when other TAs have failed, and we have just witnessed the failure of the recent DAL TA last year… in each case, the MEC leadership did not have a clear understanding of what the membership demanded. I believe we have a similar case today. I also submit that rejecting a marginal TA is never a bad thing! We have survived - indeed thrived - following such instances, and the association will persevere. Yes, there is risk with either a yes or a no vote. But if we accept these poison pills for a pittance of 13% increase in pay, we not only DON’T get any meaningful benefits to the contract, we may allow some very serious vulnerabilities into our agreement that the company will surely exploit.
Yes, there are other details of the TA that might bring benefit to the pilots… but they, in my view, are not worth what we give up. The above issues are what I believe should concern all United pilots, and none of them are good enough to buy my yes vote with a 13% pay raise.

Originally Posted by FlyingGuitar

Why should they be made whole at the expense of other pilots?

Originally Posted by b52dthdlr

my tie has a 25 on top of its alpa wings (and a red AFA pin)... your convoluted comment belies your lame argument.... If no one bids reserve positions then the company would be forced to upgrade junior captains and wide body first officers in reverse seniority order.. That's never happened, because of greedy guys like you...

Originally Posted by NFLUALNFL

Not her name Einstein. Perhaps you weren't here.