ugleeual

Wow... He should move to 777 and hold a line... Funny how guys in the top couple hundred torture themselves...

oldmako

Once again the point which is continually overlooked is that SC assignments have become significantly more onerous since the merger. It wasn't this way pre-merger and it doesn't have to be this way now. We fought for it once and earned significant improvement. Now, we've rolled over and let CAL management ignore past practice and make ship up as they go.

FlyingGuitar

Okay, so let me try and explain this since I've been around for more than 28 years. Section 6 is never a guarantee. If you look at past negotiations you will find that section 6 has always gone much quicker when the pilot group has leverage to yield in order to force the company to the table. All I know is that the airline is experiencing record profits and needs something from us so badly they came to us with this proposal that you now see as a TA. Why do you think they approached us? What will the economic environment be in 2019 + 2 years of foot dragging by the company? They aren't dragging their feet now are they. For this reason I see it as the best time in our history to get management to the table and negotiate for more QOL issues that are not being addressed in this TA. I understand the reasons to vote yes and in fact they are very valid but to me they don't trump what is possible with a strong and united pilot group in an environment of record profits and leverage. This TA sends a message that all you have to do is throw money at us and we will continue to put aside quality of life issues and accept your C scale. I'm sorry, I just don't think money is the end all. I'd much rather make this a better place for those that come after me.

FlyingGuitar

It's irrelevant. The Goon Squad you speak of were found to be fired illegally and subsequently got their jobs back with back pay. The order from the judge that you say "weakened" our union during this time is pure nonsense. Take a look at the judgement and you will see how nonsensical such statements sound. The Union was weakened by the likes of Wendy Morris who refused to exercise a framework developed by her predecessor that would have protected you during the merge.

FlyingGuitar

[QUOTE=b52dthdlr;2043579]So for this reason we shouldn't try to make the system better? What happens when the music stops and some of these new hires are narrow body reserves for 10 years or more. None of this affects me as I have only 4 years to go and I happily hold a line. It doesn't mean I should revel in my good fortunes and ignore the junior pilot.

UALinIAH

Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree on how much "leverage" we think we have.

What rate do you think is a C scale? They're not even B scale. They only way you can try to use that logic is comparing the CS100 to DALs717 and the TA rate is $185 vs DAL rate of 195. The TA rates blows them out of the water on the EMBs. Have you looked at AMR? $149. I'm just saying the B,C scale line doesn't work when you look at other contracts. I've never liked our banding that was concocted for the hopes of swaying the SLI, but it's here and I'd bet it won't change (or we won't be willing to pay what the company wants to change it).

I appreciate your perspective as a 28 yr UAL pilot. But my 21 years here have made me have a slightly different outlook.

oldmako

Again, you miss the point. We clearly understand your lack of empathy. What about when the company adopts a unilateral change which negatively affects your QOL. Will that be OK? Shall we counsel you to just suck it up?

SpecialTracking

You're absolutely right. If no one bids reserve then there won't be any reserve pilots. We won't have to waste any negotiating capital on that position except for the pledges sitting reserve on the narrow bodies. In fact since they are paying the price of admission, I say serve the reserve pledges up to the company and tack on .5% more to our industry leading something's. Have you contacted Hefner about this?

Nice tie.

Glenntilton

I'd like to read more about that. Morris is revered on the other forum by the more outspoken.

Dave Fitzgerald

I'm sorry, didn't get that spell checker, was that revered or reviled?