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01-06-2016, 12:09 PM
#141
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 32
You did speak of compliance, do you even read what you write? "....Merely stating we are OK with the 10's of thousands of PDR's filed...." Are you kidding, if we were OK with them stealing our pay we wouldn't have filed "10's of thousands of PDR's... Are you practicing your doublespeak for a run at a political office?
01-06-2016, 01:25 PM
#143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: 737 capt
Posts: 335
How is the leverage gone if the TA is turned down? Does or does not the company need relief on FRMS? Did they or did they not come to us for this relief? I rest my case. The rest of you can spend your career at UAL scared. Keep doing what your doing and you'll keep getting what your getting. It's the reason you don't have a pension here at UAL when in fact it wasn't necessary to give it away. At some point you have to stand up to the bully even the bully that is playing your best friend.
I will spend the next 3 years flying the best schedules I have had in my 20 years here while making over 300K, yep I'm really scared.
01-06-2016, 01:49 PM
#144
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,253
The chest thumpers moaning about unionism over there are the type that make a 4 day trip miserable and inspired the "WORK WORK WORK" captain of "Living the Dream" fame. Thank god for slam clicking.
01-06-2016, 02:57 PM
#145
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,785
The FRMS portion of the TA would give management a template to add one hour of flight time and 1:30 of duty time over the FAR 117 limits. It also limits our objections to that list if the company complies with it in a FRMS application. And our crack negotiating team failed to include the company's last promised CROC safety mitigation on the 777C models of a thicker sound dampening curtain on the 777C models that is needed to get adequate sleep. The company continues to flout previous agreements as we agree to give them more relief.
You might need to reopen your case.
You might need to reopen your case.
01-06-2016, 03:41 PM
#146
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: 737 capt
Posts: 335
The FRMS portion of the TA would give management a template to add one hour of flight time and 1:30 of duty time over the FAR 117 limits. It also limits our objections to that list if the company complies with it in a FRMS application. And our crack negotiating team failed to include the company's last promised CROC safety mitigation on the 777C models of a thicker sound dampening curtain on the 777C models that is needed to get adequate sleep. The company continues to flout previous agreements as we agree to give them more relief.
You might need to reopen your case.
You might need to reopen your case.
01-06-2016, 04:03 PM
#147
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,785
But I was merely pointing out that your contention that we weren't giving the company any FRMS relief was blatantly false.
01-06-2016, 05:00 PM
#148
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,085
The Hoffa comment is a fair characterization of some of that element. Just go back and read the findings in UAL vs. ALPA leading to the injunction a few years ago. Remember? An organized campaign via the IRC of going after pilots for doing what was actually permitted in the contract. Disagreeing with those pilots that were excersizing that contractual right was fine. However, organized personal attacks against those pilots that also involved going after their families at home was sickening. I'll bet all the tea in China that some of the Hoffa types on that forum were involved in that activity or at least approved of it. Guys like that are radical nut cases that destroy unionism. I'm sure Glenn was grateful for their stupidity leading to such an easy court victory....one those chest thumping Bozos were convinced from the start that ALPA was going to win.
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01-06-2016, 06:07 PM
#149
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: next to chronic complainers...
Posts: 364
01-06-2016, 07:14 PM
#150
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,071
The Hoffa comment is a fair characterization of some of that element. Just go back and read the findings in UAL vs. ALPA leading to the injunction a few years ago. Remember? An organized campaign via the IRC of going after pilots for doing what was actually permitted in the contract. Disagreeing with those pilots that were excersizing that contractual right was fine. However, organized personal attacks against those pilots that also involved going after their families at home was sickening. I'll bet all the tea in China that some of the Hoffa types on that forum were involved in that activity or at least approved of it. Guys like that are radical nut cases that destroy unionism. I'm sure Glenn was grateful for their stupidity leading to such an easy court victory....one those chest thumping Bozos were convinced from the start that ALPA was going to win.
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