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12-21-2015, 07:23 PM
#71
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I think perhaps you may be overlooking the fact that a large part of this might just be an "olive branch" extended by a regime change. I personally don't think it's as simple as "the company is desperate for FRMS changes". When I ask myself the question; "would we have a TA on the table right now if Jeff were still in charge?" I think we all know the answer to that one.
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12-21-2015, 07:24 PM
#72
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I think perhaps you may be overlooking the fact that a large part of this might just be an "olive branch" extended by a regime change. I personally don't think it's as simple as "the company is desperate for FRMS changes". When I ask myself the question; "would we have a TA on the table right now if Jeff were still in charge?" I think we all know the answer to that one.
An "olive branch"? After reading on the other forum about the company's requests during negotiations and their intentions after the dust settles on this AIP/TA, this is definitely not an olive branch. The company is thinking long term versus next month's payroll. Shouldn't we give equal consideration?
If this does pass the MEC, we owe it to ourselves to read every word of this agreement. After every period, comma, and parenthesis, we need to ask why, who/how does this benefit, can it be used against us later, and how does it position us for the future. To do anything else would be shortsighted.
12-21-2015, 07:30 PM
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How so? SWA has been in negotiations for years. UPS also. 2012 I believe. DAL after rejecting their contract is looking at a LONG process after cleaning house.
Well, either way it will be what it will be. If this doesn't get sent to the membership, it will be interesting to see what happens going forward. It will be very easy to calculate how much money each pilot loses per day after January 1st. I hope that a section 6 process sees gains that far outweigh that number because otherwise, the MEC will have made a rather costly mistake. I'm still bitter over the MEC political crap that occurred during the merger which cost each of us tens of thousands of dollars in lost equity stake. I hope those responsible go to sleep at night with that large number in lost pilot $$ in their heads. $30k a year per pilot is a huge responsibility that you undertake if you decide not to let the group decide for themselves.
PS, I've always hated the process where the membership doesn't decide their own fate. I hate it in this instance, and I hate it in things like voting for ALPA National President and MC of the UAL MEC. Too much politics in those decisions for my blood.
Well, either way it will be what it will be. If this doesn't get sent to the membership, it will be interesting to see what happens going forward. It will be very easy to calculate how much money each pilot loses per day after January 1st. I hope that a section 6 process sees gains that far outweigh that number because otherwise, the MEC will have made a rather costly mistake. I'm still bitter over the MEC political crap that occurred during the merger which cost each of us tens of thousands of dollars in lost equity stake. I hope those responsible go to sleep at night with that large number in lost pilot $$ in their heads. $30k a year per pilot is a huge responsibility that you undertake if you decide not to let the group decide for themselves.
PS, I've always hated the process where the membership doesn't decide their own fate. I hate it in this instance, and I hate it in things like voting for ALPA National President and MC of the UAL MEC. Too much politics in those decisions for my blood.
12-21-2015, 07:31 PM
#74
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An "olive branch"? After reading on the other forum about the company's requests during negotiations and their intentions after the dust settles on this AIP/TA, this is definitely not an olive branch. The company is thinking long term versus next month's payroll. Shouldn't we give equal consideration?
If this does pass the MEC, we owe it to ourselves to read every word of this agreement. After every period, comma, and parenthesis, we need to ask why, who/how does this benefit, can it be used against us later, and how does it position us for the future. To do anything else would be shortsighted.
If this does pass the MEC, we owe it to ourselves to read every word of this agreement. After every period, comma, and parenthesis, we need to ask why, who/how does this benefit, can it be used against us later, and how does it position us for the future. To do anything else would be shortsighted.
12-21-2015, 07:36 PM
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You know I'm just laughing at this thread because it doesn't matter what section of this aviation forum we belong to we all follow the same formula as pilots.
Doesn't matter if we're Mesa or United, someone posts a new contract or pay scales and even if it shows like a billion dollars in new pay, without fail people always say, hmm I think we can get more. I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw your new proposed pay.
Doesn't matter if we're Mesa or United, someone posts a new contract or pay scales and even if it shows like a billion dollars in new pay, without fail people always say, hmm I think we can get more. I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw your new proposed pay.
12-21-2015, 07:36 PM
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12-21-2015, 07:38 PM
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I think perhaps you may be overlooking the fact that a large part of this might just be an "olive branch" extended by a regime change. I personally don't think it's as simple as "the company is desperate for FRMS changes". When I ask myself the question; "would we have a TA on the table right now if Jeff were still in charge?" I think we all know the answer to that one.
Even the clowns from the company side know this is a plan out of JS playbook to get piecemeal negotiation to their advantage. Keep this in mind as well, the only thing you have a right to vote is compensation. The other things can be done unilaterally by the then MEC Chairman. Remember Paul W. And Jay P.?
I thought you were going to take the holiday to be with your family. I take it you will to do and sell anything to do the company's bidding --
12-21-2015, 07:39 PM
#78
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You know I'm just laughing at this thread because it doesn't matter what section of this aviation forum we belong to we all follow the same formula as pilots.
Doesn't matter if we're Mesa or United, someone posts a new contract or pay scales and even if it shows like a billion dollars in new pay, without fail people always say, hmm I think we can get more. I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw your new proposed pay.
Doesn't matter if we're Mesa or United, someone posts a new contract or pay scales and even if it shows like a billion dollars in new pay, without fail people always say, hmm I think we can get more. I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw your new proposed pay.
12-21-2015, 07:43 PM
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An "olive branch"? After reading on the other forum about the company's requests during negotiations and their intentions after the dust settles on this AIP/TA, this is definitely not an olive branch. The company is thinking long term versus next month's payroll. Shouldn't we give equal consideration?
If this does pass the MEC, we owe it to ourselves to read every word of this agreement. After every period, comma, and parenthesis, we need to ask why, who/how does this benefit, can it be used against us later, and how does it position us for the future. To do anything else would be shortsighted.
If this does pass the MEC, we owe it to ourselves to read every word of this agreement. After every period, comma, and parenthesis, we need to ask why, who/how does this benefit, can it be used against us later, and how does it position us for the future. To do anything else would be shortsighted.
12-21-2015, 07:44 PM
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"Olive branch" - Really? You've got to be smart enough to know that your man Monuz is not really a savior and he's not handing out money from good graces.
Even the clowns from the company side know this is a plan out of JS playbook to get piecemeal negotiation to their advantage. Keep this in mind as well, the only thing you have a right to vote is compensation. The other things can be done unilaterally by the then MEC Chairman. Remember Paul W. And Jay P.?
I thought you were going to take the holiday to be with your family. I take it you will to do and sell anything to do the company's bidding --
Even the clowns from the company side know this is a plan out of JS playbook to get piecemeal negotiation to their advantage. Keep this in mind as well, the only thing you have a right to vote is compensation. The other things can be done unilaterally by the then MEC Chairman. Remember Paul W. And Jay P.?
I thought you were going to take the holiday to be with your family. I take it you will to do and sell anything to do the company's bidding --
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