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Old 12-21-2015, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Stoops
We have never seen a better negotiating environment in the history of our industry, and you're willing to sell our leverage for 13%. Fear is incredibly powerful.

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Scott;
My yes vote won't be yes for a pay raise. It will be a "no" vote to waiting 2-4 years for a new contract, including a pay raise that may or may not be better.

At UAL, I have never voted "yes". Not once.
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Old 12-21-2015, 05:04 PM
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My yes vote won't be yes for a pay raise. It will be a "no" vote to waiting 2-4 years for a new contract, including a pay raise that may or may not be better.

At UAL, I have never voted "yes". Not once.
I voted for 2012. Other than that, I voted no. I will most likely vote against this. We have never been in a better position to improve our lot. Ever. They came to us and we are selling it for pennies on the dollar because we are scared.

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Old 12-21-2015, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Lerxst
Thanks for the correction on the process part. I agree with you about the need for new blood in the NC ranks. I am hoping that have been busy collating the survey results in preparation for early summer talks, even if they have to hand off their preparatory work to a new NC.

How will the company proceed if our side is not ready/willing to engage in early discussions? Quite a few moving pieces going forward depend on these AIP shenanigans.
Not that concerned with the company's view on us being ready or not. Like others have said many of these items in the TA could be handled via a separate mou/loa.

Definitely lots of unknowns. But that also isn't a reason to maintain the status quo of who is on the NC. A "new NC would have a couple of months minimum to get up to speed on various thing before openers are even exchanged, then add another 30 days before formal face to face happens.

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Old 12-21-2015, 05:44 PM
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Who is running for the VC position with Todd
Have no idea of there is a "ticket" with Todd or not. I know Bob Fox is being considered to continue by some.
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Have no idea of there is a "ticket" with Todd or not. I know Bob Fox is being considered to continue by some.
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Old 12-21-2015, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Stoops
We have never seen a better negotiating environment in the history of our industry, and you're willing to sell our leverage for 13%. Fear is incredibly powerful.

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Sadly that negotiating environment has proven to be worthless for the likes of DAL, SWA, and UPS.
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Old 12-21-2015, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Stoops
Why wait? We have leverage now.

Again. We have never in my 21 years had the company come to us. We have leverage. They want. We have. Why would we sell that for 13% in an arbitraliry (and contrived) timeframe?

The answer is fear.

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I think perhaps you may be overlooking the fact that a large part of this might just be an "olive branch" extended by a regime change. I personally don't think it's as simple as "the company is desperate for FRMS changes". When I ask myself the question; "would we have a TA on the table right now if Jeff were still in charge?" I think we all know the answer to that one.
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Old 12-21-2015, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Sadly that negotiating environment has proven to be worthless for the likes of DAL, SWA, and UPS.
I disagree. Your frame of reference is 6 months.

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Old 12-21-2015, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
I think perhaps you may be overlooking the fact that a large part of this might just be an "olive branch" extended by a regime change. I personally don't think it's as simple as "the company is desperate for FRMS changes". When I ask myself the question; "would we have a TA on the table right now if Jeff were still in charge?" I think we all know the answer to that one.
A thought that I have thought about often! I'm not saying that we should vote "yes" or vote "no" because we simply have no official details yet. I do think that we should definitely consider the offer though. It is a huge risk to bet on the come and hope that this current environment will continue. As history proves, this will eventually end. This is not a fear tactic, just history. But on the other hand, is what the Company wants, worth the price? I guess that we will have an official indication by COB tomorrow or Wed.?
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Old 12-21-2015, 07:18 PM
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You know I'm just laughing at this thread because it doesn't matter what section of this aviation forum we belong to we all follow the same formula as pilots.

Doesn't matter if we're Mesa or United, someone posts a new contract or pay scales and even if it shows like a billion dollars in new pay, without fail people always say, hmm I think we can get more. I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw your new proposed pay.
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