Letter to Council 5 Reps
12-08-2015, 03:04 PM
#82
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I'm not at all!! Bring on the vote!! Merely pointing out to the poster (not you) that pilots are encouraged to voice to their reps their position. That's what they were doing with that letter, because we all seem to be in agreement that the vast majority of pilots favor this agreement.... if it's similar to the rumored content. If the MEC refuses to allow an agreement out for MR that would probably pass by 70-75%, watch the recall resolutions fly.
12-08-2015, 03:06 PM
#83
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Why do you say that? Any agreement that significantly effects pay and working conditions requires membership ratification. What is so scary about letting the democratic process work? The pilots of DAL and SWA clearly have shown that they can be "trusted" to make a good decision once given all the information. Are you suggesting the pilots at United can't?
What these pilots realize is that a) sometimes the minority is the most vocal thus making it difficult to take the true pulse of the pilot group, and b) there is an unfortunate amount of politics in our MEC
What these pilots realize is that a) sometimes the minority is the most vocal thus making it difficult to take the true pulse of the pilot group, and b) there is an unfortunate amount of politics in our MEC
12-08-2015, 03:13 PM
#84
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MECs are the second line of defense after the Negotiating Committees. If it gets past the NC, it should then pass muster with the MEC. If it gets past the MEC, then the pilot group makes the final call. If every agreement goes straight to the pilot group, why have an MEC? Delta pilots are paying the price for the MEC punting and "letting the pilots decide'. Probably set the process back well over six months or more as it has created total chaos.
The DAL deal is different than ours in 2 ways. The DAL pilots were clearly not going to pass their deal, where ours will most likely pass easily. Second, DAL's deal was a traditional agreement where negotiations would be ongoing if turned down. Ours is a take it or leave it deal.
12-08-2015, 03:38 PM
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But these pilots were merely telling their reps that they want to have it sent to a vote. That doesn't mean they don't understand what the purpose of the MEC is. At its most basic level, the MEC's job is to represent the pilots and follow the direction they are given. So without getting that direction, how do they know what the pilots want? We all know MEC meetings have a total of less than 5% of the total pilots attending. That's not a very solid way of taking the pulse of the pilot group.
If after examining the TA, receiving additional briefings (some confidential) and getting their questions answered by subject matter experts, the MEC thinks 'accepting' it is in the pilots best interests only then will they send it out for membership ratification.
12-08-2015, 03:40 PM
#86
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MECs are the second line of defense after the Negotiating Committees. If it gets past the NC, it should then pass muster with the MEC. If it gets past the MEC, then the pilot group makes the final call. If every agreement goes straight to the pilot group, why have an MEC? Delta pilots are paying the price for the MEC punting and "letting the pilots decide'. Probably set the process back well over six months or more as it has created total chaos.
12-08-2015, 03:48 PM
#87
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I'm not at all!! Bring on the vote!! Merely pointing out to the poster (not you) that pilots are encouraged to voice to their reps their position. That's what they were doing with that letter, because we all seem to be in agreement that the vast majority of pilots favor this agreement.... if it's similar to the rumored content. If the MEC refuses to allow an agreement out for MR that would probably pass by 70-75%, watch the recall resolutions fly.
12-08-2015, 04:14 PM
#88
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You're making an ASSumption here. In no way, shape, or form would I ever table a recall resolution. I have great reps and whether I agree with them or not, I respect their decision making process. But if a deal that the vast majority of pilots want isn't forwarded along, I would expect that a lot of pilots will feel they weren't receiving fair representation. YOU assumed I was referring to myself. And you would be wrong
12-08-2015, 04:19 PM
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If they and you understand it then you all want to skip an important step in our process.
If after examining the TA, receiving additional briefings (some confidential) and getting their questions answered by subject matter experts, the MEC thinks 'accepting' it is in the pilots best interests only then will they send it out for membership ratification.
If after examining the TA, receiving additional briefings (some confidential) and getting their questions answered by subject matter experts, the MEC thinks 'accepting' it is in the pilots best interests only then will they send it out for membership ratification.
12-08-2015, 04:23 PM
#90
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I'm not at all!! Bring on the vote!! Merely pointing out to the poster (not you) that pilots are encouraged to voice to their reps their position. That's what they were doing with that letter, because we all seem to be in agreement that the vast majority of pilots favor this agreement.... if it's similar to the rumored content. If the MEC refuses to allow an agreement out for MR that would probably pass by 70-75%, watch the recall resolutions fly.
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