gettinbumped

And a MC and negotiating committee who have exploited it into a 16/13% immediate pay raise and DAL me too clause.

Your patronizing words are noted. Good day

Flytolive

No, they brought the MEC an AIP. The MEC told them to continue the process of refining the AIP into a TA that may or may not be accepted and sent out to the pilots for MR.An MC and negotiating committee that previously tried to give it away for free.

I am sorry if stating the facts seems condescending.

gettinbumped

It wasn't for free. It was for add pay. Again, you completely ignore the fact that the company can and has operated the airline without MOU22. As much or more of this deal comes from a new leadership teams and the value of having labor peace and known costs for 2 extra years during the transition and rebuilding, as evidenced by what's happening with the other employee groups.

Since you're talking "facts", can you please provide me with the statistics of how many flights were cancelled with MOU22 in place and without. Also please provide me with the percentages of flights where crew members did and didn't waive legalities and how many of those flights cancelled or were recrewed. I would be interested in those facts, not just what you say.

As far as the other, if you want to wrap yourself up in the semantics of the process knock yourself out. I didn't feel like typing out every step since we all know very well how the process works

Sniper66

My common sense tells me if the MEC order the AIP to be written as a TA most likely they are already accepted and they will send it to the troops otherwise why even bother .

Flytolive

It is amazing how we pilots literally don't recognize leverage. While we are focused on a couple of hours of add pay management is focused on the millions of $ of revenue they are losing for these flights and the premium customers who are fleeing United. Add pay for waiving was always in the contract and MOU-22.

Yep just like they have operated with Shares, CCS and SCEPTRE.


What is happening? No new JCBAs have been ratified. Is Munoz our buddy?


It has gone from 15% to over 25% of the crews not waiving in the last several months. The FAA has also threatened to pull our existing FRMS program.

Are you starting to see why we have an AIP?

AllenAllert

You are probably right about the MEC getting it ready to send to the pilots. The big question may be an endorsement. It's likely not going to have one.

It's amazing that one person is generating most of the posts on this issue and his hard-sell is hard to miss. You have to ask WHY????

gettinbumped

Unfortunately the subtlety of my being semantic was lost in the translation of writing versus speaking. I was merely playing with you re: the point that the MOU22 wasn't literally free... just as you were enjoying playing the semantic game with me about how an AIP turns into a TA (as if I didn't know). Annoying isn't it?

Can you please point me to the document showinf the 15-25% of crews not waiving? Not doubting it, but I would like to see where you are getting those figures from. If you have the number of cancellations due to crews not waiving I would like to see that factual document too. Also can you please point me to your source about the FAA threatening our FRMS program. If true, that's something we should all be concerned about, AIP or not. Lose that and we are going to have a lot of pilots looking for work.

New JCBA's haven't been ratified under Mr. Munoz yet because there hasn't been time. But if you are suggesting that labor relations are the same as they were before he took over, I suggest you review the TA for the mechanics, agreement and early opener with the CSR's, and profit sharing for LCAL FA's. None of those had anything to do with MOU22 or an FRMS program. You can't possibly think it's just a coincidence, or that all of Jeff's hard work is finally paying off??

I have good discussions with a lot of pilots on this board who don't agree with me. For the most part they are civil and I enjoy them. ST, James, etc. can explain their positions and manage to do it without being condescending. And I appreciate the exchange of ideas. But you seem to think you're the smartest guy in the room and us line pilots can't possibly understand the complex workings of these foreign concepts such as leverage. Put it out to a vote and I think you'll see that the vast majority of United pilots see this as I do. The closest thing to a slam dunk I've had in my 21 years here. But hey, maybe we are all just too dumb to get it. I guess the DAL and SWA pilots are smart enough to be trusted with a MR vote, but we shouldn't be.

I'm going to sign off. I hope you have a great holiday.

Boeing Aviator

See third paragraph, I highlighted the portion, if the MEC rejects the TA.

12/1/2015



Dear Members of Council 5,

We have wrapped up yesterday's special MEC meeting following the announcement of an Agreement In Principle (AIP) between the negotiators of United Airlines and the United MEC. The following is a brief summary and review of the process going forward. For some of you, this will be your first time participating in an ALPA contract cycle.

During this meeting, confidential AIP bullet points were reviewed and explained to the MEC. While this gave us a framework and overview of the AIP, specific Tentative Agreement (TA) language has yet to be drafted. Once the negotiators take two to three weeks to hammer out the finer details and emerge with actual written contractual language, the MEC will reconvene to evaluate the full merits of the proposal.

From there, the MEC must first either accept or reject the TA. If the TA is rejected, than both parties will have the opportunity to begin early section 6 negotiations in May 2016. If the TA is accepted, than you will have the opportunity to vote on the merits of the TA via membership ratification. Also, should the TA be accepted by the MEC, there will be upwards of a month of road shows and town hall meetings during membership voting explaining all aspects of the agreement.

We know the desire for specific official details is great at this point, so we’ll ask for your patience as our negotiators work to craft language. We’re working to push the details of this agreement out to the rank and file as soon as possible.

Fraternally,

Glenn, Mark, and Phil

BMEP100

Hearding cats.

JoePatroni

The company will NOT offer money to extend, instead, they will reassign crews under the "untriggered reassignment" section. Instead of paying five hours each to four guys going to BOM, they will send them to TLV (while paying them for BOM) and make the TLV crew go to BOM for 225% pay. That means that EACH pilot previously scheduled to go to TLV (22:45) now is making 69:45 for working the same days. In this scenario the company is paying 168 extra hours instead of 20, THAT'S why they want to talk.