SpecialTracking

If they want a FRMS, they'll be back. Nothing in the McKeen bullet point leads me to believe other than flexibility is built in.

Flytolive

This is the third iteration of this deal in the last year. The company loves it when we pilots stay within the framework they build for us. Thankfully, some leaders on the MEC pulled MOU-22 and led the unanimous rejection of the FDP extension LOA or we would have given this leverage up for NOTHING.

I love it, "framed."

gettinbumped

I think we agree they want FRMS. But I'm sure that there is a price they are willing to pay for it and a price they aren't. They have operated without it since the inception of FAR 117 (minus 1 month). Would they come back if it were rejected? Maybe. "But that's a big gamble with a $30 million plane, lieutenant". Sorry, my inner Top Gun got the best of me

Flytolive

And the number of pilots willing to waive has been falling as they find out they aren't getting paid for doing so after all. What hasn't been falling is the numbers of 787s. And here comes the 777-300s and A350s down the road.

Management and Labor Strategy think long term.

gettinbumped

I'm glad you love it. How many months has the company had the benefit of MOU 22 since the inception of FAR117? 1. How has the operation been running without it? Fine. How is the company's financial performance without it? Record profits. You've mentioned 9 times about the MEC reps turning this into leverage. We get it. And kudos to them for doing so. Makes up a little for the absolute DEBACLE they made of the merger agreement. This AIP is that leverage turned into benefit for the pilot group. Cash it in. If Jeff were still running the company do you think you would see this agreement? Not. A. Chance. This is a conglomeration of events that has brought us a unique opportunity.

Look all it takes is offering SRM instead of MOU22. The flights will get covered. You seem to think that this FRMS and MOU22 are a blank checkbook and the mother load of all negotiating leverage. The guys that have the pulse of the company and the facts and figures disagree and brought you an AIP. If you don't like it, vote no. The majority will decide. Or they should be allowed to.

gettinbumped

So? 787's 777's and A350's can either be growth, or replacement. Don't think the company will park 747's and 767's ahead of schedule and shrink the airline? See 2008.

Show me the statistics on cancelled international flights since MOU22 went away. The flights get covered, waive or not. SRM is alive and well. Even without it the company has the option of offering the pay to extend if they so choose. MOU22 merely makes it automatic.

Flytolive

Explain how that works as I have never seen it happen to replace a crew that is going illegal especially on departures from overseas.

gettinbumped

You are correct for the return flight that there wouldn't be a SRM possibility, and that's a good point. I'm not a widebody guy so I have no direct knowledge of how often it happens outbound from the states, but folks here have complained that it's common (and stupid) for the company to pay an entire crew to SRM instead of offering the extension pay. The company still has the option to offer money to extend in the current contract if they want to.

Flytolive

Yes, the company has the option to offer the crews money and occasionally crew schedulers have, but the company hasn't paid any $ since the MEC pulled MOU-22. Regardless that is not SRM and as you have figured out we don't have crew bases overseas from which to draft pilots.

It is apparent you don't fly these types of flights so it is understandable why you don't understand the amount of leverage this represents. That's why we have an MEC that is briefed on such opportunities.

oldmako

That doesn't make any sense to me. In order to get an entire crew (often 4 pilots) to agree and SRM a trip you need time. Those guys aren't just sitting around on FSB. After all, this would only occur after the initial crew refuses to extend. Extensions, or more aptly, refusals happen at the last minute with the pax already at the drome. And in the event of a creeping delay, with them already on the plane. SRM at this point? I don't see it.