Contract Extension and the 2172
12-07-2015, 05:41 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: A320 Driver
Posts: 74
Here's the way I see it. Anytime you negotiate it costs you something. So, if our negotiators go out and seek something for the 2172 please understand that we (ALPA/all other UAL pilots) will be giving up something in exchange for that. It would/may be wiser to go out and try and get "THAT" after the meat and potatoes of the LOA is reached and use that as leverage to send out the agreement to the pilots, instead of trying to achieve that on the front end as a stated goal of the negotiating process.
12-07-2015, 06:18 PM
#33
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,785
Here's the way I see it. Anytime you negotiate it costs you something. So, if our negotiators go out and seek something for the 2172 please understand that we (ALPA/all other UAL pilots) will be giving up something in exchange for that. It would/may be wiser to go out and try and get "THAT" after the meat and potatoes of the LOA is reached and use that as leverage to send out the agreement to the pilots, instead of trying to achieve that on the front end as a stated goal of the negotiating process.
12-07-2015, 06:53 PM
#34
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 239
Where did it go?
Remember that last bit of money added to the Retro Pay to get it to (IIRC) $400M?
We should be glad that this is in the deal. Otherwise, the Union rightly would be on the hook(remember, the contract dollar amount was already agreed to) and should foot the bill(=special assessment). Painful, NOBODY wants that.
12-08-2015, 01:52 AM
#35
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Joined APC: Jan 2012
Position: 2172
Posts: 95
Here's the way I see it. Anytime you negotiate it costs you something. So, if our negotiators go out and seek something for the 2172 please understand that we (ALPA/all other UAL pilots) will be giving up something in exchange for that. It would/may be wiser to go out and try and get "THAT" after the meat and potatoes of the LOA is reached and use that as leverage to send out the agreement to the pilots, instead of trying to achieve that on the front end as a stated goal of the negotiating process.
Image that your union wrote a side letter into the last contract which is carefully worded so that it only applies to you and pegs your pay to some guy who was hired 7 years after you (who is also senior to you now).
How would you feel about that?
Would you want that corrected asap or would you be content to live with that indefinitely, perhaps forever?
Last edited by UAL SUX; 12-08-2015 at 02:17 AM.
12-08-2015, 02:56 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Jan 2012
Position: 2172
Posts: 95
Also imagine that a pilot who is clearly not affected by LOA 25, comes on the forum with the opinion that you should continue to be forced to live under this financially punitive side letter so that he may, hypothetically, at some point in the future, receive an even larger raise than the one that is currently being offered.
How would you feel about him?
How would you feel about him?
12-08-2015, 06:41 AM
#37
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Posts: 1,085
Also imagine that a pilot who is clearly not affected by LOA 25, comes on the forum with the opinion that you should continue to be forced to live under this financially punitive side letter so that he may, hypothetically, at some point in the future, receive an even larger raise than the one that is currently being offered.
How would you feel about him?
How would you feel about him?
Then imagine that a fellow pilot would come on this forum and use a picture of that event as his Avatar as a put down. All the while spreading his "I'm a victim" mentality at every turn.
How would you feel about him?
12-08-2015, 07:41 AM
#40
UCH Pilot
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: 787
Posts: 776
I was told LOA 25 was because we thought it would look weird if an arbitrator placed a pilot with less longevity senior to one with more longevity and it may sway the Arbitrator's decision to use longevity to a greater extent since we were going to argue an hourly payrate based integration. That's also how we got these pay bands. Now that the SLI is done I agree, lets fix LOA 25. Paybands I don't really care.
