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12-02-2015, 03:45 PM
#51
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Oh horse droppings. Clearly your homily and its hasty generalizations resonate with many. My ire with this issue has nothing to do with my being a victim. This is about negotiation, pure and simple. We really suck at negotiation and this has positioned a burr squarely between my butt cheeks. While your post sounds good with the red meat crowd, I find it off the mark with regard to what's being bandied about here. You've attempted to marginalize those with an opposing view and it seems to have worked. Congratulations.
12-02-2015, 04:01 PM
#52
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Position: The GF of FUPM
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[QUOTE=bottoms up;2019417]I like the cut of your jib. I believe what we are trying to accomplish is simple. Enough monetary improvements to buy some Pappy van Winkle AND enough QOL improvements to enjoy Pappy van Winkle.
Hell yes! Bring on The Pappy and the time to enjoy it.
Interesting story:
At the conclusion of a Bus PC, my Captain and I headed for DEN. We had time to kill so we went to the bar upstairs, above the food court area. We then proceeded to drain a few frostie pops. The Captain started talking bourbon and it was clear he was a total devotee. I too love bourbon but I'm more of a brown bag, park bench and a raincoat guy.
Suddenly he looks up and says, "I think they have Pappy!" He runs over to the bar and finds that they do indeed have Pappy. THREE of them in fact. As I recall, they had 10-12-and 15 year varieties. He came back with two glasses of the 10. When finished, he went back and returned with two glasses of the 12. He assured me from the get go, that the entire refreshment course was on him.
I opted out of the 15 year glass because I didn't need another, and didn't want to dig any deeper into his wallet.
I thought the 10 was great, just great. I was then the first to try the 12. I found it a tad smokey, almost 'peaty' as in Scotch. He said "no way" and thought I was smoking crack. Yet, when he tried it, he agreed. He liked the 15 as well.
I don't recall what the bar tab was, but it was well into three digits. I insisted on leaving the tip and it was appropriate. The Bar Lass was pleased. We were pleased. He then showed me photos of his extensive Bourbon Stash, his appropriate glass wear and memorabilia. He's a bourbon fanatic and complained that his access to interesting blends was limited in SoCal.
My brother in Virginia is also a Bourbon nut. He managed to come away from this years ABC release with 3 bottles of Pappy. His new son in law scored FOUR, but he had to spend a day driving all over the state to do so.
Here are 3 reasonably priced Bourbons that I've been enjoying lately.
1. W. L. Weller 12 year old special reserve. The GREEN cap, white lettering bottle. Very hard to find.
2. Ancient Ancient Age. Not the regular, budget Ancient Age, but Ancient-Ancient Age. Gets great reviews from Bourbon nuts and in publications. Fairly hard to find. Reputed to be one of the smoothest and well balanced whiskey's in the country.
3. Wild Turkey "Rare Breed" Relatively easy to find. Simply delicious and dead even from start to finish.
Wish I had a glass.
Hell yes! Bring on The Pappy and the time to enjoy it.
Interesting story:
At the conclusion of a Bus PC, my Captain and I headed for DEN. We had time to kill so we went to the bar upstairs, above the food court area. We then proceeded to drain a few frostie pops. The Captain started talking bourbon and it was clear he was a total devotee. I too love bourbon but I'm more of a brown bag, park bench and a raincoat guy.
Suddenly he looks up and says, "I think they have Pappy!" He runs over to the bar and finds that they do indeed have Pappy. THREE of them in fact. As I recall, they had 10-12-and 15 year varieties. He came back with two glasses of the 10. When finished, he went back and returned with two glasses of the 12. He assured me from the get go, that the entire refreshment course was on him.
I opted out of the 15 year glass because I didn't need another, and didn't want to dig any deeper into his wallet.
I thought the 10 was great, just great. I was then the first to try the 12. I found it a tad smokey, almost 'peaty' as in Scotch. He said "no way" and thought I was smoking crack. Yet, when he tried it, he agreed. He liked the 15 as well.
I don't recall what the bar tab was, but it was well into three digits. I insisted on leaving the tip and it was appropriate. The Bar Lass was pleased. We were pleased. He then showed me photos of his extensive Bourbon Stash, his appropriate glass wear and memorabilia. He's a bourbon fanatic and complained that his access to interesting blends was limited in SoCal.
My brother in Virginia is also a Bourbon nut. He managed to come away from this years ABC release with 3 bottles of Pappy. His new son in law scored FOUR, but he had to spend a day driving all over the state to do so.
Here are 3 reasonably priced Bourbons that I've been enjoying lately.
1. W. L. Weller 12 year old special reserve. The GREEN cap, white lettering bottle. Very hard to find.
2. Ancient Ancient Age. Not the regular, budget Ancient Age, but Ancient-Ancient Age. Gets great reviews from Bourbon nuts and in publications. Fairly hard to find. Reputed to be one of the smoothest and well balanced whiskey's in the country.
3. Wild Turkey "Rare Breed" Relatively easy to find. Simply delicious and dead even from start to finish.
Wish I had a glass.
12-02-2015, 04:26 PM
#53
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Disagree. I think the point was the baggage (emotions) of the past shouldn't enter into the business decisions (vote) of the present. Don't let past grievances, real or perceived, drive your decision. Just make an informed choice and vote yea or nay. In the words of a Topgun instructor I knew: "Don't fly angry."
Sure, I go overboard when describing perceived beefs just as the Marvin Stepford types bury their head in the sand and instantly forget about them. But, I don't fly (or vote) angry. I vote and then call in sick and go fishing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp2c5gK18xA
Let's go get some Pappy and agree on that.
Last edited by oldmako; 12-02-2015 at 04:47 PM.
12-03-2015, 01:39 PM
#54
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I apologize if I offended anyone, I was just asking a question. No I don't think an FO would get the same as a Captain. I just wasn't sure if there would be a signing bonus or not. I'm new to United so wasn't sure if they did that or not. I apologize for bringing it up.
12-03-2015, 06:51 PM
#56
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I apologize if I offended anyone, I was just asking a question. No I don't think an FO would get the same as a Captain. I just wasn't sure if there would be a signing bonus or not. I'm new to United so wasn't sure if they did that or not. I apologize for bringing it up.
12-03-2015, 09:28 PM
#57
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12-04-2015, 04:50 AM
#58
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As for trusting our negotiators you do realize they wanted to give up this same leverage, FRMS & FAR 117 duty waivers, for nothing in the FDP Extension LOA, right? Fortunately, a pilot identified this leverage and rallied a few MEC members who in turn rallied the MEC to vote unanimously against the FDP Extension LOA. The MEC signed a letter explaining their vote and forbid the MC from signing it because until he witnessed the MEC's strength was imploring them to ratify the LOA.
Please vote on this extension on the merits and save us your erroneous characterizations of the motivations of those who might not agree with you.
01-07-2016, 06:26 PM
#59
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Speaking of Pappy:
There?s No Nice Way to Say This: $26,000 Worth of Pappy Van Winkle Is Almost Certainly About to Be Destroyed | FWx
There?s No Nice Way to Say This: $26,000 Worth of Pappy Van Winkle Is Almost Certainly About to Be Destroyed | FWx
Getting your hands on a prized bottle of Pappy Van Winkle bourbon can be a difficult and costly affair. So of course it seems like a waste to simply destroy bottles of the coveted spirit. But unfortunately, officials in Kentucky might have no other choice.
As you may recall, last year, authorities in Kentucky took down one of the biggest whiskey theft rings ever recorded. At the time, Franklin County Sheriff Pat Melton said his team had recovered some of the stolen goods, including 20 cases of Pappy, but admitted that, most likely, it would have to be destroyed since they had no way of knowing whether the whiskey was tampered with.
Unsurprisingly, the possibility of destroying what could well be perfectly good bourbon concerned a lot of people—and maybe some of the public outcry eventually went to Melton’s head. In a story published on December 31 by the site Bourbon Blog, Melton said that 28 of the Pappy bottles were going to be saved and auctioned off for charity.
However, it wasn’t long before Melton had to back off those statements. Turns out that though the judge handling the case was into the idea, the Van Winkle family themselves weren’t so keen on it. Julian Van Winkle III reportedly said he wanted the product destroyed in case any quality issues existed. “We totally respect his wishes,” Melton was quoted as saying.
So the ballad of the stolen Pappy continues. The bottles have not met their end yet, but are likely headed toward destruction. But, come on, it’s not like you were going to win that stolen Pappy auction anyway. Go get yourself a Powerball ticket instead.
As you may recall, last year, authorities in Kentucky took down one of the biggest whiskey theft rings ever recorded. At the time, Franklin County Sheriff Pat Melton said his team had recovered some of the stolen goods, including 20 cases of Pappy, but admitted that, most likely, it would have to be destroyed since they had no way of knowing whether the whiskey was tampered with.
Unsurprisingly, the possibility of destroying what could well be perfectly good bourbon concerned a lot of people—and maybe some of the public outcry eventually went to Melton’s head. In a story published on December 31 by the site Bourbon Blog, Melton said that 28 of the Pappy bottles were going to be saved and auctioned off for charity.
However, it wasn’t long before Melton had to back off those statements. Turns out that though the judge handling the case was into the idea, the Van Winkle family themselves weren’t so keen on it. Julian Van Winkle III reportedly said he wanted the product destroyed in case any quality issues existed. “We totally respect his wishes,” Melton was quoted as saying.
So the ballad of the stolen Pappy continues. The bottles have not met their end yet, but are likely headed toward destruction. But, come on, it’s not like you were going to win that stolen Pappy auction anyway. Go get yourself a Powerball ticket instead.
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